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Is this Shaw carpet a good choice?



"Is this Shaw carpet a good choice?," in the Carpet Q&A forum, begins: "Background: We are looking into replacing the carpet in the den and family room, in which the main hallway also ..."

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Old September 22, 2011, 10:02 AM   #1
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Is this Shaw carpet a good choice?


Background:
We are looking into replacing the carpet in the den and family room, in which the main hallway also is. Possibly considering replacing the carpeting on the stairs and upstairs hall/balcony to do bad wearing, visible seam the width of the stairs in the upstairs hall.We have a 13 year old black lab, and 7 and 8 year old boys. My husband and boys like to go barefoot, and I have pretty much given up on trying to get them to wear socks. We also have several neighborhood kids, usually barefoot, over to play primarily in the den. At least they take their shoes off, but barefoot probably isn't much better. As far as vacuums go, I have upright Simplicities in Symmetry and Synergy that are only a few years old.

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As far as carpets go, I am looking for a stain resistant, durable, easy to clean, tight twist, short cut pile with a berber fleck or multi-tone look. I am looking for a warm medium light beige shade. Something that will help hide foot prints, vacuum marks, wear patterns, and potential stains. Since labs naturally have oily coats, and my boys like to go barefoot, I am assuming a nylon is better choice since the Sorona, Smart Strand, etc fibers seem to have more of an affinity to oil based stains than nylon (per my research). I would also like to get about a 15 year life (or longer) out of the carpet before having to replace it.


The carpets I am considering are all nylon R2X with the softbac in the Shaw Family and are as follows:

Tuftex Move on Up in Brown Rice, 46.8 oz/sq yard face weight

ShawMark AG Cloud Spun in either Condensation, Pileus, or Billows, 56.6 oz/sq yard face weight. Shaw's website states this is a loop style, but appears to be a cut loop.

Shaw Unrivaled Beauty in either Spice, Sandstorm, or Maize, 37.1 oz/sq yard face weight

The Unrivaled Beauty appears to be the exact same carpet as the Pisa I and the Meet and Greet I samples I have and have with a performance rating of 3.75. And both the Pisa II (4.0 performance rating) and the Meet and Greet II (4.25 performance rating) seem to be the exact same thing but what I was told slightly more dense. And all of these, aside from face weights, seem to be the same exact thing as the ShawMark AG Cloud Spun.

I have only gone to local, independant flooring stores, not big box stores. Two places recommend a 7/16" 8lb rebond pad, one place says he uses a full 1/2" 8lb rebond instead of a cheater 7/16' pad, but this guy was also steering me in the direction of Shaw's TripleTouch pad. I don't know if 1/16" makes any difference, but from what I've researched, the 7/16" is what is recommended. I have also been told by one retailer (that also cleans carpets, restores floors, etc) if there are previous pet urine stains that I need to paint the underfloor with 3 coats of paint to keep the urine stain from seeping up thru the carpet. I don't know if there are any pet urine stains from previous owners, and I don't see how the stain could seep into the new carpet unless it was clean via hotwater extraction, but I still don't know if this is possible.

So my question is, which, if any, of the above carpets should I chose from. They all seem to be comparable, except for face weight, and I'm not sure if face weight should be the deciding factor. I was also just planning on going with a standard 7/16" 8lb rebond pad, unless there is a better choice. I want good products without paying an arm and leg, or paying for features that are not really necessary (ie, Shaw's pad which doubles the warranty of the carpet). I should also state that both my son and I have asthma, and my asthma is also triggered by chemicals and off-gassing, so I'm not sure if paying the extra money for green label products is worth it or not. And by more money, I mean if spending $2,000 vs $2,300, but I am not interested in spending much more than 15% more.

Any opinions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

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Old September 22, 2011, 10:41 AM   #2
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,i can't choose for you in carpet selection(thick and warm heavier weight,light and airy lighter weight) but will highly recommend using 8lb re bond 7/16 padding

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Old September 22, 2011, 12:54 PM   #3
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Confusing...I don't think face weight really means anything and probably should not be the deciding factor in a carpet...After looking at the samples, and actually getting a ruler out, it appears the only difference is the length of the pile, so a higher face weight product will have longer pile, at least in the particular styles I am comparing. I don't think I want a longer pile, and from what I've read, a shorter pile will resist crushing better.

So if the only difference is pile length, and density seems to be the same for at least the Unrivaled Beauty, Meet and Greet II/Pisa II, and AG Cloud Spun, then wouldn't I be better off going with the shortest pile?

Also, one of the things I look at is when I separate the pile to see the backing, how easy/how much backing is visible...I am assuming the more backing that is visible, the less "dense" the carpet is, and the lesser the quality.

In looking at the Tuftex Move on Up, it appears to have a less dense pile than Shaw's Unrivaled Beauty, but a longer pile. It also appears that the twist is lower because there seems to more unraveled tips. So I don't think Shaw's performance rating to make a decision is good to look at either.

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CRI says 7/16 also is recommended. But 1/2 can be used but no poundage is stated. I would recommend the 7/16 also. It will make a bit of difference in the installation. !/2 pad will be just a might high.
I believe Tuftex is also a Shaw subsidiary.

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CRI says 7/16 also is recommended. But 1/2 can be used but no poundage is stated. I would recommend the 7/16 also. It will make a bit of difference in the installation. !/2 pad will be just a might high.
I believe Tuftex is also a Shaw subsidiary.

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3/8 is the ideal pad thickness, imo.....

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Old September 22, 2011, 06:05 PM   #6
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All carpet is extremely low VOC and off-gassing isn't a problem to be concerned with.

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All carpet is extremely low VOC and off-gassing isn't a problem to be concerned with.
Can you provide a source?

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Old September 22, 2011, 10:21 PM   #8
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Can you provide a source?
"The Inner City Asthma Study", published in the New England Journal of Medicine. That study found that children with carpet were no more prone to asthma than those who had hard surfaces in their bedroom (that is it in a nutshell) but they tracked nearly 1000 kids over 1 year and were unable to link any asthma to carpet.


I know this is from CRI, but for what it's worth: "Scientific studies have demonstrated that new carpet is one of the lowest emitters of VOCs in the indoor environment and those emissions dissipate very quickly. The low- level VOC emissions from new carpet normally dissipate within 48 to 72 hours after installation when accompanied by good ventilation." Google can probably get you much more info about VOCs and carpet.

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