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"Carpet on spiral stair treads," in the Carpet Q&A forum, begins: "Hello everyone: I have two sets of spiral stairs on which I would like to put berber and pad on ..."

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Old November 26, 2011, 10:19 PM   #1
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Carpet on spiral stair treads


Hello everyone:

I have two sets of spiral stairs on which I would like to put berber and pad on the treads only.

I want to make up the bullnose from arbutus wood (not made yet), and just cover the tread part only with carpet. I don't want the carpet to cover the bullnose or the riser.

I haven't had any luck so far in finding out the best way to do this, so I am hoping that the carpet gods will smile upon me and that you can help.

Thanks in advance...

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Old November 26, 2011, 10:22 PM   #2
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In my opinion, if you really want pad then I would glue the pad to the tread and then glue the carpet to the pad. It's going to be a tricky job, but my guess is that you're pretty handy if you're willing to take this on.

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Old November 26, 2011, 10:35 PM   #3
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In my opinion, if you really want pad then I would glue the pad to the tread and then glue the carpet to the pad. It's going to be a tricky job, but my guess is that you're pretty handy if you're willing to take this on.
Hi Kyle, many thanks for your rapid reply.

Are you suggesting that I may not need any underlay? It doesn't make any difference to me either way. I never thought about gluing.

Handy might be a good word...I would just like to be a whole lot handier at carpet!

Here's what I'm dealing with.
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Old November 26, 2011, 10:40 PM   #4
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Hello Keith,


What is your plan for the open end of the stairs?



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Old November 26, 2011, 10:47 PM   #5
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Hello Rob...There will be a post attached to the end of every tread. Other than that I don't know. Could they just be left open?

The tread width on the lower stairs on that end is only 3 1/2" and the posts are about 1 3/8" wide. I can take a pic of one if you like so you can see. I already have the posts on the upper stairs.

I might mention that the upper stairs go to the roof so I can service the solar panels when necessary and clear flying branches off the roof. They are rarely used.

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Old November 26, 2011, 11:11 PM   #6
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These are the top posts...the lower ones will be put on in reverse to these. In other words, they will face inwards instead of outwards.

That should prevent anyone from walking where the tread is too narrow.
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Old November 27, 2011, 12:52 AM   #7
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Hi Kyle, many thanks for your rapid reply.

Are you suggesting that I may not need any underlay? It doesn't make any difference to me either way. I never thought about gluing.
Hi Keith,

No, Kyle is referring to what pros call a "double-stick" installation. That's where you glue the cushion (underlay) down and then glue the carpet to the cushion. That might be the easiest way for you to install the carpet on those steps.

My suggestion is to install your bullnose so that the top edge of it is flush with the carpet and pad. I think you should also put a trim piece of the same wood on the exposed sides, also flush with the carpet and pad. This will prevent any raw carpet edges from showing and eventually becoming raveled.

The cushion should be the same type used in traditional double-stick installations. There are several, so ask your carpet dealer to show you samples of what they have available. It is not the same kind of pad used in stretch-in installations and will likely cost a bit more.

If you also get the same kind of adhesives used for double-stick, you will be able to replace the carpet some years from now without destroying anything trying to remove the old.

Cutting the cushion and carpet in is another matter. We can discuss that when the time is near.

Best R'gards,

Jim
PS: beautiful craftsmanship on the woodwork there. you are quite the artiste.

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I have done tons of stairways where we made pads that just put where you would step on the step. We bound the edges of the carpet and they were tacked, stapled or glued down. But that was not one of my favorite looks. I always like the look of a runner where the carpet covered the nose but left the beauty of the wood show on the riser. That also gve me a good anchor point to help hold the carpet on.
They do make a stair pad that is put just on the walk area of a step. Some are braided and some are not.

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I will second Jim's advice. That's pretty much exactly what I'd recommend.

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Old November 27, 2011, 10:22 AM   #10
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I agree with the "double stick" idea and also that the sides of the steps need to be trimmed out with ideally the same type wood to completely frame the carpet.

I'd ask your dealer for this brand of padding:
Sponge Cushion Inc. - TredMOR®

There's enough different thicknesses of pad there to get the ideal height for your finished product to meet flush with the nosing and side trim. If not you'll have to put down some underlayment to make up any difference. Your installer ought to seal all around with a bead of latex seam sealer. If YOU are the installer then make sure you get something similar to this:
Roberts - 8502 Carpet Latex Edge Adhesive

Roberts - 10-145 Seam Sealer Applicator Bottle

When choosing adhesives the brand isn't all that critical but almost all manufacturers make three grades, typically labeled something like Bronze, Silver and Gold or Contract, Standard and Premium.

You want the premium adhesive and plenty of it on top of the cushion adhering the carpet to the pad.

The pad should be adhered to the step with a "releasable" pressure sensitive glue so when it comes time for replacement the pad is not permanently stuck to the plywood.

What's available locally and conveniently for all these recommendations varies around the country and from urban to rural locations so these are just general tips. Typically you can substitute brands so long as you stay away from the low end of the market.

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