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Old May 30, 2012, 10:46 AM   #1
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Does it make a diffrence which way i run the direction of the carpet runner using kane carpet. Into the smooth or into the ruff does it matter?

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Old May 30, 2012, 02:18 PM   #2
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The general rule for carpet on steps is to have the nap is laying down the step. The exception to this rule is when it involves a directional pattern. As an example, we wouldn't have flowers in a vase upside just to have the nap going down the steps or a different direction than other adjoining carpet. In which case the pattern on the steps should remain consistent and in register with the pattern on any adjoining horizontal surfaces.

The premise behind this is; the amount of force traveling down a step is approximately four times greater than going up. Hence the direction of greatest impact is going with the natural lay of the pile.

Another line of thought, that goes back to the start of carpet installation and predates modern 'suction' vacuum is to have the pile of carpet laying 'down the stairs and out the door' to make sweeping more effective.

So, to answer your question, the 'general' rule is to have the nap traveling down the step, unless it's going to create a mishap with the pattern. Great question. Hope this helps.

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Old May 30, 2012, 07:26 PM   #3
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The general rule for carpet on steps is to have the nap is laying down the step. The exception to this rule is when it involves a directional pattern. As an example, we wouldn't have flowers in a vase upside just to have the nap going down the steps or a different direction than other adjoining carpet. In which case the pattern on the steps should remain consistent and in register with the pattern on any adjoining horizontal surfaces.

The premise behind this is; the amount of force traveling down a step is approximately four times greater than going up. Hence the direction of greatest impact is going with the natural lay of the pile.

Another line of thought, that goes back to the start of carpet installation and predates modern 'suction' vacuum is to have the pile of carpet laying 'down the stairs and out the door' to make sweeping more effective.

So, to answer your question, the 'general' rule is to have the nap traveling down the step, unless it's going to create a mishap with the pattern. Great question. Hope this helps.

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I agree with Dobby as a installer-nap direction down the stairs and out the door. But in all reality it has nothing to do with wear. At one point I heard that the insurance companies were trying to get that changed as having nap direction going down made the steps slippery especially to people with leather soled shoes and slippers. I heard that probably 10-15 years ago so nothing came of it evidently.
One thing though if you have small children don't let them slide down the steps. It creates enough friction and heat to permanently make the nap lay down.

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Old May 30, 2012, 10:32 PM   #4
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I have to disagree with you Daris on the wear issue. Look at a flight of stairs done with the nap going up the stairs. It wears out fast right on the nose making the fibers of the carpet go the opposite way it wants to go. It might be a insurance deal that started it but it shows in no time.

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Old May 31, 2012, 04:29 AM   #5
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I have to disagree with you Daris on the wear issue. Look at a flight of stairs done with the nap going up the stairs. It wears out fast right on the nose making the fibers of the carpet go the opposite way it wants to go. It might be a insurance deal that started it but it shows in no time.
I'm glad you disagree. I hate being right all the time. In some cases I may agree with you but it all depends on the style of carpet. Thick and fuzzy I agree. Commercial I don't think it makes a difference.

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Old May 31, 2012, 10:53 AM   #6
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Lay the nap down the stairs. Also, I would almost always lay it that way, regardless of which way either nap or pattern lays in the room it leads to, or from. All carpet has a pile direction, and if the carpet is laid across the step, the pile will meet the stringer tightly on one side and show the edge on the opposite side. As well, many loop piles will gap and grin if tightly wrapped over a stairnose sideways.
And, if there is a turn in the stairs, I would turn the carpet as the stairs turned so pattern ran up and down all the stairs, regardless whether n/s or e/w.

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I do as Jeff described.

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Old May 31, 2012, 07:00 PM   #8
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I run the pile down the steps unless I am matching a pattern. There are ways to take care of the issue next to the stringer. Also the concern about the product grinning at you on the nose is part of what needs to be talked about during sale.
What Daris said about the insurance companies wanting it running up is true, that is why the CRI 105 on page 27 section 11.3 say's, carpet direction - carpet length should be installed parallel to length of steps.

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Old June 4, 2012, 05:37 AM   #9
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I have always ran stairs with nap going down the stairs and agree with what everyone has already posted. Patterned stairs depend on how the carpet upstairs is best laid out. I will not run my stairs in a patterned material this direction IF it jeopardizes my seam layout upstairs or down. I always go over this with the customer or builder before making a cut. They understand if discussed BEFORE job!

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Old June 4, 2012, 01:15 PM   #10
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Pattern trumps grain in my book! Strip the stringers and tuck the edges of the carpet. For Kane Karpets I will turn the grain backwards for safty if the pattern allows. Heres a set of steps with Kane Karpet on them.

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