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Old November 3, 2013, 07:43 PM   #1
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Stainmaster or Mohawk Wear-Dated?


I am looking for a replacement carpet for my den--fairly heavy traffic (3yo grandson, his toys, and his parents live with us). I want something that will last, not show too much soil, or mat down. I am trying to not exactly match (impossible for 13 yo carpet), but as close as I can come to matching the existing carpet because we will not be replacing the carpet in dining and living rooms which are separated from the den by a tile walkway. I really wanted Stainmaster, but I can't seem to find one as close as I would like. I found a Wear-Dated Mohawk (Private Collection) which has a "10" rating that is close enough. I have read, however, that Mohawk is terrible to deal with on a warranty issue, so I am hesitant. First question: Will the Mohawk carpet do what I want (long-lasting, soil resistant, mat resistant)? Second question: Is the Mohawk carpet good enough to assume I won't have warranty issues? Third question: Is it common practice to try to convince the consumer (me) that I don't know what I am talking about? I have been to about 9 separate stores, spoken at length to the salespeople, and researched on the internet. I feel I have at least a reasonable idea of what I want, but at 6 stores, I have been talked down to and my opinions have been dismissed. Most want to sell me a polyester. I have even been told that they don't know if nylon carpet will be around in a couple of years. Also they act as if asking about the specs on the carpet is ridiculous and they will "try" to find out if I "really" have to know what they are. (Density, twist, etc.) I can't believe anyone sells a product and doesn't think the basic information about it is not important. I am trying to be an informed consumer because I can't afford to replace this carpet in 5 yrs or less and I need to buy something that will last. Sorry to go on, but I am pretty well fed up. I live in a Dallas, TX suburb. Maybe it's a local thing. Thanks for any input.

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Old November 4, 2013, 03:11 AM   #2
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Bravo to you, you've asked a lot of good questions , pretty much what we get answers to when we get certifications as installers and see info on at trade shows.
I am not that up to date on carpet fibers, and manufacturers modify them to perform very well.
I have a Berber in my home, so all that twist is nonsense to me, I also have a commercial patterned gluedown in living room ,dining and hall which I saw on TV in a movie theatre murder mystery in Phoenix, in other words it's made for traffic.
Matting down is for cut pile, Nylon I still think performs the best. Warren Buffett is in the carpet business, he may have some influence on that poly.
I think 5-10 years on a carpet is about normal, either get an expensive carpet and replace it or get an inexpensive carpet and replace it. I got expensive carpet for a rental- once!

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Old November 4, 2013, 09:16 AM   #3
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The difference between


The difference between Stainmaster and Wear-Dated would be similar to the difference between Chevrolet and Ford; same product, different company. Stainmaster is by DuPont, and Wear-Dated is by Monsanto companies.
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Old November 5, 2013, 11:23 AM   #4
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Hello! I am in the same boat, looking for carpet and have been introduced to the Mohawk Wear-Dated Embrace. I really liked the samples as they are very soft but also seem durable. The other option I saw that I liked for softness was Stainmaster Trusoft Sos Vellore (both are nylon). I researched this forum and saw another post which claimed that Mohawk purchased the wear-dated line and it is no longer the same quality of fiber. I saw another post which praised the brand. I'm confused! Any other advice on if this Mohawk carpet is good and long lasting, and how it compares to Stainmaster?

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Old November 6, 2013, 06:32 PM   #5
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There is a new wrinkle. The WearDated carpet sample had a label on the back that had a rating of "10". However, the specs show it is rated a 3.5 out of 5. When I questioned the discrepancy, the answer I finally got was that it is indeed a 3.5. As if the lack of forthcoming information is not confusing enough, I feel there is a definite effort to confuse the consumer so they will just give up and buy some carpet that looks "nice."
I notice that no one has addressed my complaint about the lack of readily available information for the consumer. Doesn't anyone have any insight on this matter?

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Old November 6, 2013, 07:27 PM   #6
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What size is the area and what is your budget?

You don't want a carpet that will mat down ?
Maybe in outer space without gravity.

What happened to existing carpet in den?

How often are you currently having your carpet professionally cleaned?

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Old November 7, 2013, 10:00 AM   #7
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546 sq ft. I am trying to stay around $4/sq ft.
My existing carpet is 13+years old and is stained.
I clean it about 2-3 yrs and sometimes I do it myself. I kind of feel that cleaning carpet professionally every 18 months will cause it to wear out sooner and will definitely wear off the stain protectant. So I am more concerned about wearability than trying to enforce a warranty.

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I am waiting for some retailers, maybe a manufacturer, some carpet inspectors , maybe a good salesperson that was an installer, and a professional cleaner to comment.
I would think one retailer would say get your ass to my store and we'll go over any of your questions and beyond.
I'd also tell you if Nate Hall were in your area, your in the best hands in the field from start to finish(installation is very important as well)
The cut pile , it's gonna Matt down, no way around it. The stain issue, some fibers don't stain, nylon not bring one of them, therefor that is why it has to be "coated" with a treatment.
Here is my Berber carpet, I don't take my work boots off, I work in the yard, and occasionally step in water to remove the dirt prior to entering, the carpet is 8 yrs old and hasn't been cleaned only vacuumed. There's nothing to untwist only slightly flatten due to the empty space for it to go.
Calculate the years you got out of your carpet and the price you paid for it, when you break it down , doesn't seem to be very much.
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Old November 9, 2013, 08:25 AM   #9
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546 sq ft. I am trying to stay around $4/sq ft.
My existing carpet is 13+years old and is stained.
I clean it about 2-3 yrs and sometimes I do it myself. I kind of feel that cleaning carpet professionally every 18 months will cause it to wear out sooner and will definitely wear off the stain protectant. So I am more concerned about wearability than trying to enforce a warranty.
Nylon yarn is a good wearing yarn. Cleaning carpet every 18 months WILL NOT CAUSE IT TO WEAR OUT SOONER!!! It's true that over time the applied stain treatment will wear off over time, but that isn't entirely because of cleaning. You have to understand what wear means. It is this: loss of fiber due to abrasion. Period. Stains, soiling, matting, texture loss, etc... are NOT wear. Modern carpet DOES NOT WEAR OUT.

I think what you're talking about is what we call "uglying out". By cleaning the carpet yourself you might inadvertently be helping it ugly out faster. Why? Detergent. Try this experiment... pour a small amount of water on an area of carpet that has been cleaned, just enough to wet it, not soak it. Then agitate it with your fingers for a minute or so. See any suds? Rub your fingers together... feel slippery? Rub your thumb & index finger together until the moisture has dried some. Do your fingers feel sticky? Any of these things are indications that a large amount of detergent was left in the carpet. Professional hot water extraction companies use products and methods designed to use and leave behind a minimumof residue. Plus, professional equipment uses a higher water temperature that restores some of the twist to the carpet yarn. This is why carpet manufacturers recommend Professional cleaning.

As to manufacturers "ratings", they are largely worthless, as there is no standardized rating system industry wide. At best, these ratings are an indicator of the manufacturers confidence in the product.

In over 20 years of retail carpet sales, I have found Mohawk to be no better or worse than any other carpet manufacturer when it comes to warranty issues. You have to understand that warranties are written by lawyers working for the manufacturer to protect the manufacturer, NOT the consumer. Mohawk makes some excellent products. We have few warranty claims with them.

It sounds like you have been dealing with order takers, not true floorcovering professionals. You might try to find a dealer who is experienced and appreciates an informed consumer. I'm in Michigan, so I can't help you there. Best of luck to you!

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There is a new wrinkle. The WearDated carpet sample had a label on the back that had a rating of "10". However, the specs show it is rated a 3.5 out of 5. When I questioned the discrepancy, the answer I finally got was that it is indeed a 3.5. As if the lack of forthcoming information is not confusing enough, I feel there is a definite effort to confuse the consumer so they will just give up and buy some carpet that looks "nice."
I notice that no one has addressed my complaint about the lack of readily available information for the consumer. Doesn't anyone have any insight on this matter?
To answer your questions 95% of residential carpet buyers don't ask about information such as density, twist, etc. Commercial buyers may want the specs. Residentially the Mrs. wants something that "looks" and feels nice. The Mr. usually has only one question "How much is it?"

So retailers are sadly under informed and unable to pass along good information.

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Thanks to all who responded. Right now I am probably going to go with a solution-dyed, 6,6 nylon Stainmaster carpet by Phenix Looptex called WestWind. It has a density of 2793 and a twist of 6. It has a par value of 4.2. So I am hoping it will do what I want it to do--just lay there, look nice, and last a long time. Before we settled on this carpet, I had the "installer" come out and measure my room. He acted like all he did was measure carpet and didn't know anything about durability or choosing carpet. After I told him we were not going to go with the aforementioned carpet that was mislabeled a 10 and would have to choose something else, he recommended that I go to Lowe's and find something suitable (although their showroom had tons more carpet on display than Lowe's) and since he was the owner, he would beat their price. Then he told me he had been in the biz for 35 years. Now I ask you, if anyone has been in the carpet business for 35 years, shouldn't they know something about choosing carpet? I have to agree with Elmer that the impression they give is that Wifey should vacantly stare at carpet and want something "pretty", Hubby should want something cheap. But then 5 years later as they look at their carpet are they still happy with their purchase? I am doing the best I can to be able to say "yes, I am happy I chose this carpet." Shouldn't everyone? Replacing a carpet is not like replacing a microwave or toaster, it is an expensive purchase and should be chosen carefully.

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The difference between Stainmaster and Wear-Dated would be similar to the difference between Chevrolet and Ford; same product, different company. Stainmaster is by DuPont, and Wear-Dated is by Monsanto companies.
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Sorry to break some hearts....WEAR DATED is NOT from Monsanto....

Mohawk SPINS there own yarn, They purchased(Mohawk) WEAR DATED, years ago....

Read this carefully,

In May 2004, DuPont spun off their fiber division to Coke Industries. Along with this divestiture went the Stainmaster brand name. Invista, a Coke Industries subsidiary, now owns the Stainmaster brand name. Really not much has changed to The Stainmaster brand name, except the old peas and carrots phrase of "DuPont Stainmaster" is no longer valid.

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I heard Pepsi bought Mohawk, now it's Coke Vs Pepsi.

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The Wear-Dated brand originated with Monsanto, who in 1997, divested their 6,6 nylon production into a company called Solutia. Solutia then sold its nylon division in 2009, to an affiliate of SK Capital Partners II, who then established Ascend Performance Materials Operations LLC. Ascend has complete ownership of the technology used to make Nylon 6,6. They can license the technology and production of 6,6 nylon to anyone they want.

I suspect the Wear-Dated brand name is just that, a brand name. Mohawk owns the brand now and can use it any way they see fit.

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