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Old August 25, 2006, 01:12 AM
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I have a problem with my carpet I hope you folks can help with. There is a wrinkle that goes more than half way across the room its more like a rounded ridge or a long bubble in the carpet. It was there when I moved in and I don't want to pay someone to fix it I am pretty good with tools and good with following directions if you can tell me what to do I would like to try fixing it myself. It's just a rectangle room with a fireplace on one side, the ridge starts at the corner of the hearth and goes most of the way across the room at a slight angle.



Ive seen them lay carpet on Hometime with some tools I think I can rent. Please tell me what to do. Thanks in advance.
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Old August 25, 2006, 02:15 AM
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Re: my carpet is wrinkled

Dear Jackson , first turn off tool time , then call a pro to restreach it for you .. it takes a long time to learn to streach cpt the correct way .. it would be very easy for you to let the kicker head slide across the face of the rug and shread it .. it was not properly streached correct the first time .. if you remove the furniture a pro is not going to rob your piggy bank to do that for you .. good Luck ..
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Old August 25, 2006, 04:35 AM
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I understand your desire to do things yourself (I'm the same way). In many cases that is quite feasible. In the case of stretching carpet however, I'm inclined to agree with Nick. If you attempt it yourself, you should use a power stretcher. The knee kicker requires strength and cooridination that takes time to develop, and is not adequate for stretching a room anyway. Good luck.
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Old August 25, 2006, 04:47 AM
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What is probably wrong with your carpet now is someone used a knee kicker. If you are watching "DIY to the Rescue" , everything they show about installing carpet is wrong.
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Old August 25, 2006, 08:53 AM
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I understand a carpet installer can do a better job(just not the original) but I want the satisfaction of doing it myself. The reason I asked here was because this si a do it yourself site It even says so in the top of this form. I looked for tools aty the local Rents-It-All and found some carpet tools just like I saw on Hometime. There is tool box with a knife and a kicker tool with some other tools and there is another tool that has a lot of poles but the only power tool is a iron for seams that I dont think I need for this.To me it looks like a simple enough job even though a real carpet person could do better. Last year I learned how to fix my dishwasher and how to install a power garage door on the internet. This year I have fixed the steps on my deck and now I want to fix the carpet. If you can't help me with directions then you shouldn't call yourselfDo-It-Yourself & Consumer Support. Thankyou for any help.
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Old August 25, 2006, 09:45 AM
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Hi Jackson,

So sorry you didn't get the answers you were looking for. This really is a DIY forum, but sometimes us pros get a little too proud of our craft and think we are the only ones who can do it right. And that may be true to an extent, but I for one also realize the value of being able to do something myself. Yes, this is a place you can get help. We might not be able to teach you how to do a professional job, but we should be able to explain how to get very satisfactory results using the tools you have and can rent. I believe that is one of the reasons this forum is here and I will do my best to help.



First we will need a bit more information. If you can post pictures, that would be great. Can you tell us the size of the room and where in the area the fireplace is? You may have to lift a corner of the carpet, but can you tell us what kind of floor is under the carpet (wood or concrete), whether there is tackless (skinny strips of wood with sharp pins sticking out) around the walls and how much space is between the edge of the tackless and the wall? Is there a baseboard and is it on top of the carpet or is the carpet tucked into the edge of the base? Tell us where the doorways are and if the carpet is attached to more carpet in another area. Is the wrinkle like a wave that can flow to the other side of the room, or is it circular or arched? Just one or more wrinkles? And lastly, can you describe the carpet -- is it a looped pile carpet (berber) or a cut pile carpet (like a plush) or maybe it is a combination of cut pile and looped pile (sculptured)? Answering these questions will help us help you.

I'm sorry you seemed to get the brush-off, especially from a couple of staffers here. Maybe because it's Friday and they don't wanna work any over-time. But I promise there are some of us here that look forward to helping you.

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Thankyou for the reply. I will try to answer your questions. I cant show you pictures but I hope my descripsion will help you "see".

The room is 14 feet and 8 inches wide and 19 feet and 5 inches long. It is next to a long hall that starts at the front door and goes to the back bed rooms. Just as you come in the front door thare is an archway that goes into the living room (the living room is the problem). A little farther down the hall is another archway that goes into the living room. Between those 2 arches is where the fireplace is which is about 6 feet wide and the hearth goes into the living room almost 2 feet. Go down the hall farther and the kitchen and dining rooms are there. They are connected to the living room with a swinging door and a metal piece covers where the carpet and linolum meet. The hall has a wood floor that I want to refinish later. The wrinkle in the carpet is right next to the corner of the hearth next to the first archway and goes across the living room about 8 feet but it does angle back towards the kitchen but only a few inches. I can kneel behind the wrinkle and push it toward the front of the house. It looks like I can make it go all the way tot he wall where there is no doors.
There is base boards all the way around except the hearth. When I pulled up a corner (easy) the base board is not all the way to the floor and the carpet is under it only a little. The tack boards look like they are about a little more than a quarter of an inch away from the base boards. There is a pad that looks like little chips of different color foam that is stapled and under that is the same wood floor that is in the hall.
The carpet is all the same hight and is not loops. It looks like a good carpet and it feels good. I hope that is enough information. I didn't know you would need that much just to fix the carpet . I want to fix it this weekend while everyone is gone. I hope that is possible. Rents-It-All has the tool box and the stretcher machine on hold for me but I have to get it tonight. I don't know if they will still ahve it tomorow. Thanksyou.
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Jackson,
Mr. McClain is most definitely right. This is the DIY section of the forum and I would like to be the first to apologize if my reply came out as a brush off. That certainly was not my intention. I do respect your desire to accomplish tasks yourself. Once again, sorry and I hope we can help you out.
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Does this drawing look like the general layout of your living room?
Are there any other doors on walls: A,B, or C? How about heat and air vents? If we can get an idea of the layout for guys to look at, it will make it easier to describe how to help you. If this is wrong somehow, please suggest the proper changes and I'll re-work it.

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I to apologize , i was only trying to look out for your best interest ..
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Do we have a great bunch of guys here or what? If you are like most DIYers I have had the pleasure of working with over the last 14 years, you are anxious to get started. Please keep in mind that Nick and Tony both had the best advice and that is to hire a pro. Some of these tools are dangerous and complicated and you could do serious harm to your carpet and even to yourself if you aren't careful. But I am somewhat of a DIYer myself and know all too well that you might throw caution to the wind and try to fix this carpet anyway.

The methods and suggestions you get here are based on the abilities of the average DIYer. If we were discussing this between pros, the methods might be quite different and the results would be better in terms of longevity and durability, if not in appearance. I'll try to help you make it look better and last a lot longer, but these methods are not necessarily professional methods.

So, before Tony steals my thunder (and because this damn drawing program took me a couple hours to do and I don't want it to go to waste), here are my instructions. Please don't take the money and run though. Some of these guys might have better ideas or think of something I fergot, so keep reading for more information. In the end, you'll have a carpet free of bubbles and be proud to show off your talents to your new neighbors.

Here's a list of tools you might need:
  • The carpet tool box you described with knife, kicker and stair tool (big chrome chisel lookin' thing)
  • A carpet spreader (tool that holds the carpet onto the pins as you are working)
  • Power stretcher (the big tool with poles - it ain't electric, but it's power-full)
  • A 4x4 (or any strong board) long enough to span the widest doorway

I hope that my diagram is pretty close to what you described. Since you didn't mention any other doorways, this is what I came up with:


You didn't say if the hearth was raised, straight sided or what, so if there are any major differences, you can just post back with more questions. Since you May not have the understanding or ability to make any seam repairs, plug doorways or add a filler strip, we'll have you just do what's necessary to stretch the carpet tigher without having to do any seam work. If you want to tackle the seaming that would be necessary to do this in a more professional manner, let us know and we'll try to talk you through that too.

To start, empty the room of all furniture and vacuum. Pull the carpet loose around the perimeter of the room starting at the far side of the kitchen door and go clockwise around to the doorway near the entry (hall door on the right in the picture). When you get to that doorway, pull the carpet loose, but do not pull it away from the door casing on the left side of the doorway. If you do, the carpet will stretch away from that casing and you will need a plug or filler to fix it. Save any trim or get new to replace when you are done.


After you loosen the carpet, be sure to check for any loose or broken tackless. Replace or repair them as needed. Vacuum the gully -- that space between the tackless and the wall.

Now you are going to set up the stretcher and take your first stretch. Adjust the pin length so that the stretcher pins just go into the backing of the carpet through the pile. Too deep and you will damage the pad and have difficulty stretching. Too shallow and you might damage the pile. See the diagram for positioning. The 4x4 goes across the doorway here, but you will use it to back up the stretcher foot on every stretch to be sure you don't break through the wall. Notice the slight angle the stretcher is on. The angles are important to make the carpet move not only forward, but to the side a little too (it prevents bubbles from forming to the sides).

The stretcher and the handle is kind of tricky to get used to. Be sure to lift the head when you are moving the stretcher or lifting up on the handle or you could damage the carpet. Press the head down firmly with one hand on the head and the other on the handle as you move the handle down. It's not necessary to lift the handle all the way up. Half way should be good -- you can take more than one bite to get the carpet tight. You will feel resistance as you push down on the handle. You want to get the carpet tight across the width of the room. Even though you didn't describe any bubbles in that direction, the carpet is likely not tight enough anywhere. Press the handle down firmly. If it's too easy to get the handle down all the way, take another bite. Hold the carpet in place by pressing the carpet spreader edge on top of the carpet right where the pins of the tackless would be.




Now you should have a section of carpet stretched across the room that is about 1 1/2' wide, beginning at the corner. You can trim and tuck that part in now. Be very careful with the knife. Use a new blade and change it when it gets dull. Trim just a little heavy so about a quarter inch of carpet rides up on the baseboard. Hold your fingers on the the carpet on top of the tackless and tuck the trimmed edge in with the stair tool.


Now you are going to use the knee kicker. This is another tool that takes practice to use right. It is not a stretching tool, it is only for positioning. You are not going to slam your knee into it, but you will be bumping the pad with your knee kind of firmly. Be careful here too because it is easy to miss the pad squarely and glance off the side. It can hurt and even cause knee injury.

Beginning at the right side of the kitchen doorway, where the carpet has been pulled loose, bump the carpet up tight to the wall and tuck it in (please note the slight angle). You can also use the carpet spreader to press the carpet onto the tackless and then go back to tuck, trimming the carpet where necessary. You should now have the end wall all finished and you might even notice a slight difference in the wrinkle already.




You are now ready to take a long stretch. Set up the stretcher as in the diagram. There is hardly any angle this time and be sure to place the 4x4 against the wall or doorway behind the foot of the stretcher. You will be able to get a lot more stretch in this direction, but for this first couple of stretches, you will want to take care not to stretch so much that you form a bubble at the other corner of the hearth (see the question mark). Make the stretch as tight as you can without causing a new bubble.


Now reposition the stretcher as in the next diagram. This stretch is to the left of the last one and is angled more. In fact, the foot is in nearly the same position as the last stretch, you only moved the head over about a foot or so.


And again you will continue across the wall working your way to the far corner. Where the first couple of stretches you had to be careful not to make a new bubble, you should now be able to increase the pressure and take a little bigger bite. You are now seeing that the bubble is nearly gone.


Before you begin to trim that wall in, you need to go back to the starting point on that wall and angle the stretcher toward the right corner to stretch the carpet between the hearth and the end wall. That is not a very long distance, so don't expect to get a lot of stretch from that area. You will get some though and then you can finish that wall by trimming and tucking.


The area from the left side of the entrance doorway to the corner gets your attention now. Just as you did along the kitchen wall, bump the carpet up along that wall. You can replace the doorway trim or get a new piece, then trim and tuck the rest of the wall.


Almost done now. Turn the stretcher around to the short distance right next to the very first stretch you made. Stretch along that wall, moving to the right, maintaining the angle until you reach the far corner again. You may have to devise an alternative method to block the tail of the stretcher when you go across the fireplace, but be sure to stretch consistently all the way.


After you finish trimming and tucking, put the tools away (please clean them for the next user) vacuum up and put your funiture back. If you followed these directions, you will no doubt have a carpet free of wrinkles and much tighter than it was when you moved in. I hope this has helped you and anyone else looking for a way to get rid of wrinkles in a simple layout like this.

If you have any questions, let us know. Thanks for coming to us for help.

Best R'gards,

Jim
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Is this the best place for accurate information or what .

Good job fellas.
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If there are floor registers, stretch to the inside edge, not the wall edge so you don,t stretch past them.
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You're right and I never even addressed that situation. With a room that size and the possibility of a register near the front of the house, there would definitely need to be some plugging goin' on. Good call Rusty.

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Wow! you guys put some time in on this. I hope Jackson comes back and gets a look at this. Has anyone pm or e-mailed him?
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