"A Woven Whatizit," in the Carpet Q&A forum, begins: "Woven carpet. Random diagonal bands where the pattern shifted over. Is there a common name or description for this and ..."
What does the backing look like? Is the reason for looking at it the pattern doesn't line up? Does the pattern repeat on the backing? Or should I say can you see the pattern on the backing?
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Re: A Woven Whatizit
Face to Face Woven Polypropylene. Sidematch complaint. Didn't view the back. More pictures - yup - I take lots.
Best description is that the bands start at one selvedge and the pattern shifts over one warp row and the next weft row is another warp row over, etc, etc, etc. Creates a 45 degree narrow band of carpet which has a different nap to it and the adjacent yarns on the outside which fades back to a correct nap in about 3" or so. The edges of the bands are very crisp and definite.
Unfortunately there are many, many samples of this woven-back polypropylene out there right now. We have perhaps 45 different patterns in our store, but I have not seen the one shown here. People like it, it's pretty. Over the past couple of years, I've sold six jobs of it. You are required to use 6" seam tape, and it only stretches lengthwise. I'm going to show a picture of one we did, almost 300 square yards in a basement. My pro installers could not get the pattern to always match up, but it is so busy in this case that no one can look closely enough to tell. The worst seam is right by the bar, so that makes us safe, LOL!
One thing to keep in mind is that this type of carpet and water do not mix!! It shrinks, so can only be cleaned by a dry method.
I was very concerned about selling people cut pile polyproylene, but it is extremely fine-tipped and tight. We have had a scrap of this particular piece in our garage for over a year, directly on concrete, and although it is dirty, there is absolutely no matting.
How long has the carpet been down? It looks like it has satains all over it. If it has been down for some time then why did it take so long to call about the bands and side match concerns. If it has only just been installed the bands would not bother me as much as how it looks stained ans soild.
What company of the Olifen wovens out there say to use a 6 inch iron? most of the companys we deal with say to sew, Kane witch makes nothing but Olifen says to use the Kool Gluide and seamerdown and it is even in their installation video. Sewing is still the best for any wovens
Will deal with cleaning at some other time. That could be a new thread.
What company of the Olifen wovens out there say to use a 6 inch iron? most of the companys we deal with say to sew, Kane witch makes nothing but Olifen says to use the Kool Gluide and seamerdown and it is even in their installation video. Sewing is still the best for any wovens
Will deal with cleaning at some other time. That could be a new thread.
Roland
I believe most of our wovens come from Nourisan, and on the sheet that comes within the carpet roll it states the requirement of either sewing or using 6", the latter of which I've had done on my woven jobs with success.
We also carry the hole Nourisan line and I have installed many of them, they have many face to face wovens and I like to sew them. I have their installation video and booklet in my office so I will check in the morning, not saying it does not say anything about a 6 inch iron I just have always sewn it. I take that back I have tryed the Kool Glide and seamer down on one and am still seeing how it holds.
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Re: A Woven Whatizit
Carpet was installed in a huge open prayer area just this past August. No excess soiling. The carpet actually did not have a sidematch issue but did have a heck of a pooling and pile reversal problem. Diagonal bands are just a bonus.
How do we know it is a face-to-face wilton? Says who?
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but, before anyone can offer anything constructive, we need to know what we are looking at. How do we know it is polypropylene?
Is the surface all cut or is it cut and loop?
Being a side match issue, did the materials arrive as a single piece? Can this be confirmed?
My first thought was this is not a woven product and my doubt remains. Photos are one dimensional and sometimes fail to show necessary details. From the surface in the photo it looks more like something tufted on a tapistron or colortec type machine. Can you share who the manufacture or importer is?
How do we know it is a face-to-face wilton? Says who?
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but, before anyone can offer anything constructive, we need to know what we are looking at. How do we know it is polypropylene?
Is the surface all cut or is it cut and loop?
Being a side match issue, did the materials arrive as a single piece? Can this be confirmed?
My first thought was this is not a woven product and my doubt remains. Photos are one dimensional and sometimes fail to show necessary details. From the surface in the photo it looks more like something tufted on a tapistron or colortec type machine. Can you share who the manufacture or importer is?
Respectfully,
Dobby
Dobby,
With all due respect, no one said it was a Wilton, Curt told us it was a polypropylene, it's obviously cut-and-loop, and from the back it definitely appears to be a woven.
I have to side with Dobby on this one, in post # 5 he called it a face to face woven, the only face to face woven I know about are wiltons ( not that Dobby could tell me if there are others )
Tia in post #5 Curt says it is a face to face polypropylene. Face to face to me means face to face Wilton. I don't know of another product that is face to face.
But there is something about the yarn texture that doesn't look right for a Wilton. But knowing Curt he may already know the answer to his question and testing us.
... You are required to use 6" seam tape, and it only stretches lengthwise.
Tia, the stretch in length and nothing in the width is characteristic of an ax. Are you sure it is a Wilton?
FlooringGirl said
One thing to keep in mind is that this type of carpet and water do not mix!! It shrinks, so can only be cleaned by a dry method.
A knowledgeable cleaner should not have a problem extracting this construction and I would not want to clean a polypropylene by any dry foam or powder method. I have not seen one of these system that approach the ability of a polypropylene conditioner in breaking the bond oil has to this fiber.
FlooringGirl said
I was very concerned about selling people cut pile polyproylene, but it is extremely fine-tipped and tight. We have had a scrap of this particular piece in our garage for over a year, directly on concrete, and although it is dirty, there is absolutely no matting.
Tia
With respect to your experience, I believe this is an exception not the rule. I have inspected more than a few woven olefins that have all had severe crushing (although not always matted) and the watermarking/pooling Curt said.
Curt, I am racking my brain and cannot think of why there is a lighter diagonal band in a woven construction. It almost looks like these bands were covered with something like tape and then exposed after the carpet had been walked on for a while. That scenario doesn't make sense. If tape had been on the carpet face, that area would be darker due to adhesive transfer from the tape attracting soil. Color me
