Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?

[TFP Admin]

Thanks for the added insight, Mr. Mitchell, and welcome to The Floor Pro Community. You didn't reply to my welcome PM or email, but I added you for access to the pro forums anyway.

Jim

[FlooringGirl]

Thank you so much for the lessons! I'm a sponge for information. When first being reminded of "air entangling", it made me right away think of an antique spinning wheel, which obviousoly creates a staple product. Much of my problem is that, after 13 years in this specific business, I've never been to a mill. Being a person who likes to see things done in order to truly understand them, this would be very beneficial to me.

Tandy, I really think there are staple friezes, one pops in my mind right away, but will look into it further at work tomorrow, providing it's possible to get up my driveway: more and more snow, ewww.

Back on the subject of vacuums - since so many carpets seem to be affected negatively by the bristles of beater bars, yet those help loosen and pull up dirt, I think someone needs to think outside the box, invent and patent a new vacuum system. It's about time for that in our world!


Tia

[crmitchell]

Just a little explanation re air entangling. The descriptions are indeed correct, but air entangled yarns can only be used in loop pile commercial constructions. The entangling process does not hold the yarn together well enough for residential use. The stuff in the photos appears to be just a very low twist yarn where the twist has blown out, and possibly even a mended area.

[FlooringGirl]

crmitchell said Just a little explanation re air entangling. The descriptions are indeed correct, but air entangled yarns can only be used in loop pile commercial constructions. The entangling process does not hold the yarn together well enough for residential use. The stuff in the photos appears to be just a very low twist yarn where the twist has blown out, and possibly even a mended area.

Welcome! As a Shaw person, what is the twist factor of the Open House product?

Thanks,
Tia

[Peter Kodner]

Carey, I can't tell you how glad I am you have visited and contributed here. It will be great if you can stop by on a regular basis!

For those who do not know, Carey is the head Shaws technical department and one of the very few people in the industry who address Mr. Shaw by Bob (I called him Mr. Shaw the few times I met him- several as a customer of his and twice as an employee)

I have known Carey near about 20 years and not only consider him a devotee to the industry, but a very approachable expert who has helped me immensely over the years. I recall a trip he made to Chicago with Ken Mackintosh of CRI and (Carey help me here) Carey's right hand woman on maintenance. We did a presentation for one of the larger school architectural and engineering firms. I had already been doing a fair amount of work with them, but that program made me the go to guy for the entire firm and got me invited to innumerable meetings with school officials and boards to present the facts about IAQ issues.

I've also found Carey to be a very humble man so I won't tell you the number oif appearances he has made in Washington DC before various governmental groups (Carey, has Congress been a destination too?) on issues related to carpet.

We are fortunate to have him here and I am confident he will clarify many matters we discuss. I even glad I was corrected about the use for air entangling Spending the bulk of my career in commercial, I guess I presumed all residential technology is derived from the specified contract market

If nobody has guessed it, I like this man a lot and consider him a friend as well

[rgfloor]

Welcome Carey, we won't hold it against you that you know Peter.

Let's try not to abuse him too much.

Please stick around and straighten us all out.

[rgfloor]

I'll add a couple of pics of a frieze/shag damage.

One spot 10 inches long near the bottom of the steps.

[rgfloor]

I found this sitting in the hallway at the top of the steps.

Nuff said!!

[FlooringGirl]

rgfloor said I'll add a couple of pics of a frieze/shag damage. One spot 10 inches long near the bottom of the steps.

That's what mine looks like where the dog digs herself, but nowhere else.

Tia

[stullis]

Give me a break Roger, that vacuum didn't cause the issue in those pictures.

[rgfloor]

stullis said Give me a break Roger, that vacuum didn't cause the issue in those pictures.

Sitting there for 10 minutes running with a hose plugged into the back to clean the steps. I checked and plugging in the hose did NOT stop the brushes from rotating. They would suck the long fibers into the rotating brush and card the twist out. The area blossomed out fit the brushes EXACTLY.

What is your thought, Scott?

[Chris Mha]

Makes me glad that I have a vacuum that I can turn off the beater bar when I want to.

[rgfloor]

Obviously this is not a frieze but it IS damage (admitted by the homeowners teenage daughter) from the brushes on a vacuum.

[Curt Durand]

The vacuum damage is usually easy to recognize as it is roughly the size of the vacuum brush profile, diagonally oriented, located where you might expect a vacuum to sit and the yarns are normally clearly carded on only the upper yarn portions. The initial pictures by rgfloors is a different concern which runs only lengthwise in the carpet, normally runs down a tufted row and the entire yarn is frayed/fuzzed.

[rgfloor]

Curt Durand said The vacuum damage is usually easy to recognize as it is roughly the size of the vacuum brush profile, diagonally oriented, located where you might expect a vacuum to sit and the yarns are normally clearly carded on only the upper yarn portions. The initial pictures by rgfloors is a different concern which runs only lengthwise in the carpet, normally runs down a tufted row and the entire yarn is frayed/fuzzed.

Sorry Curt but I have added the arrows to help. You are right the fuzzing is a diagonal where the vacuum sat while cleaning the steps.