Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?

[stullis]

Sorry Roger I thought you were posting pics to support the non use of that type of vacuum on a frieze.
I was expecting to see wide spread damage of the type the topic starter is concerned about.
Instead you are posting pics of abusive use. My mistake.

I still can't believe you guys actually get paid to look at stuff like that. Who pays you?

[rgfloor]

The manufacturer paid $175 for that little piece of info.

[FlooringGirl]

The problem I have with these examples is that a vacuum should never "sit" with the brushes on, it should be moving. It's a common mistake, though. I've had to remind myself that when sweeping in the dining room, when stopping to move chairs, the vac needs to be turned off.

By the way, I did find a staple frieze today, it was in the Platinum Carpet One Casual series. Funny enough, when I tried to look up all the specs and info on the C1 website, it has been discontinued. Even all the lower-end friezes are BCF, with the exception of one that said 25% BCF.

Tia

[crmitchell]

Don't have a clue about th e twist off the top of my head, and can't access that data base from home. There was a time, 30 years ago, when we were a small company, when I had all that stuff between my ears. Now, there are 13,000 SKU's, and probably 150 yarn systems, so its impossible.

Someone mentioned something about staple yarns. They are going the way of the dinosaur very quickly. We have closed 5 staple nylon and polyester plants over the past few years (some converted to BCF). A couple of reasons:

First, the process costs are significantly higher, with all the extra steps; it takes about 3-400 people to operate a large staple nylon plant; about 150 to operate a BCF plant of the same capacity.

Second, we are able to produce BCF products in the heavier weight ranges, that were not possible before.

Amazing, that as the big fiber companies have faded away, the advance of technology seems to have accelerated - and they thought us dumb GA crackers could never extrude our own fiber !

[stullis]

Most upright vacuums that I have seen raise the beater bar up when the handle is in the upright position.
Of course when they are tugging on the hose attachment the vacuum often tilts causing the bar to then hit the carpet.

So yes, care must be taken.

[crmitchell]

1. Flooring Girl, whoever and wherever you are, we will be happy to host you at Shaw any time. We can do tours of carpet and fiber plants, and I'll even throw in a walk through our Technical Center.

2. You gave me an idea. I will talk with some of the vac maufacurers and suggest they make a machine with the beater BARS, no brushes, just for these constructions. They could easily produce an interchangeable beater bar.

There are only a couple of residential vac manufacturers that cheerfully cooperate with us in the CRI program. The rest hate the program - why ? 'Cause some of their cheaper machines outperform their highest priced machines ! Imagine how that frustrates the marketing guys.

The commercial vac manufacturers love the program.

We just launched a new wrinkle, that allows machines to be tested for energy efficiency. It must first pass all the other tests to even be eligible. We rate them based on the electrical energy required to remove x grams of soil - not just amps. EPA loves it.

[crmitchell]

Peter, I remember that trip, about 15 (?) years ago. That was Cindy Sayre, who is still with us (30 years) and a lot smarter.

Your comment re the government reminded me about the embarrassment in the one time I did testify before a Congressional committee on the Americans with Disabilities Act. They had really screwed up (imagine that) the specs for coefficient of friction on carpeted floors, and I was to try to talk them into correcting it. As I walked in, my glasses frame broke, they fell off and I stepped on them ! Couldn't see my notes, or the screen for my presentation - talk about handicapped !

[FlooringGirl]

crmitchell said 1. Flooring Girl, whoever and wherever you are, we will be happy to host you at Shaw any time. We can do tours of carpet and fiber plants, and I'll even throw in a walk through our Technical Center. 2. You gave me an idea. I will talk with some of the vac maufacurers and suggest they make a machine with the beater BARS, no brushes, just for these constructions. They could easily produce an interchangeable beater bar. There are only a couple of residential vac manufacturers that cheerfully cooperate with us in the CRI program. The rest hate the program - why ? 'Cause some of their cheaper machines outperform their highest priced machines ! Imagine how that frustrates the marketing guys. The commercial vac manufacturers love the program. We just launched a new wrinkle, that allows machines to be tested for energy efficiency. It must first pass all the other tests to even be eligible. We rate them based on the electrical energy required to remove x grams of soil - not just amps. EPA loves it.

Curious, what exactly is your position with Shaw? I may have missed it earlier ... I'd absolutely love watching both the fiber and carpet-making processes, and am serious about this. Some of the best training I ever had was at classes with Stainmaster and Mohawk University, years ago - the hands-on, show-me stuff. It's important to me that when customers want a technical answer, I know and can explain it. Although the majority of people want things in layman's terms, you always get those hardcores.

Don't talk to the vacuum manufacturers right away about how to make a better product - design it yourself, patent it, then talk to them! I have noticed that the list of CFI recommended residential vacuums is very limited.

Tia

[Barry Carlton]

I relish your input! Someone of your stature and reputation is one that I would want to glean as much knowledge from as as I could/can.

We sure hope that you continue to contribute as you have thus far...and more so

[TFP Admin]

FlooringGirl said Curious, what exactly is your position with Shaw?

It's in his profile. Click his name, click View Public Profile.

... the list of CFI recommended residential vacuums ...

CRI, not CFI.

Jim

[FlooringGirl]

TFP Admin said It's in his profile. Click his name, click View Public Profile. CRI, not CFI. Jim

Thanks, I'm a ditz Actually, when I look at the profile link, it doesn't answer my ?? Also not when clicking his name ...

Tia

[rusty baker]

Jim, he didn't fill out his profile.

[TFP Admin]

FlooringGirl said ... Actually, when I look at the profile link, it doesn't answer my ?? Also not when clicking his name ...

rusty baker said Jim, he didn't fill out his profile.

I know I'm the web designer and administrator, but when I visit a member profile page, I can't see anything that ain't actually there. This is what I see when I visit crmitchell's profile (and click the About Me tab):

[stullis]

That's not what we see Jim.
This is what comes up when we click View Public Profile

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[rusty baker]

Jim, I just tried it again. When I click on his profile, all that comes up is statistics.