Re: Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?
Well, I was mistaken, guys. I CAN see things you can't see (and other staff can also see things other members can't see). I completely forgot about "Profile Privacy" in the UserCP. You can set who does and doesn't see your profile info. I think crmitchell wants to get to know us a little better before he lets everyone know more about him. You can hardly blame him. I have been on flooring forums for many years and have seen first hand the beating manufacturer reps get. I hope that he will become comfortable enough here at TFP and soon realize that this flooring forum is different than other flooring forums. Maybe then he will change the settings in his Profile Privacy.
Re: Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?
TFP Admin said
Well, I was mistaken, guys. I CAN see things you can't see (and other staff can also see things other members can't see). I completely forgot about "Profile Privacy" in the UserCP. You can set who does and doesn't see your profile info. I think crmitchell wants to get to know us a little better before he lets everyone know more about him. You can hardly blame him. I have been on flooring forums for many years and have seen first hand the beating manufacturer reps get. I hope that he will become comfortable enough here at TFP and soon realize that this flooring forum is different than other flooring forums. Maybe then he will change the settings in his Profile Privacy.
Re: Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?
Welcome crmitchell, glad to see you on board. Tia you need to take him up on the tour. I took a bunch of guys down last year and crmitchell and James and Neva realy took care of us. Oh crmitchell thank you for also taking care if the issue I brought with me.
Had a great time with them.
Re: Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?
Roland Thompson said
Welcome crmitchell, glad to see you on board. Tia you need to take him up on the tour. I took a bunch of guys down last year and crmitchell and James and Neva realy took care of us. Oh crmitchell thank you for also taking care if the issue I brought with me.
Had a great time with them.
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Re: Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?
Here's an example of how well a CRI Bronze level Oreck Halo vacuum set on the highest pile height setting will maintain a modern "frieze" or as I was taught "shag". Two older adults, nice well maintained home, no children, no pets, carpet down for 8 months.
Re: Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?
rgfloor said
If he won't pay ya, how's that gonna happen?
Really good point . Anyway, as I said before, we have a very cheap polyester frieze, few years old, and a newer, moderately priced vacuum, and it does okay altogether. Fluffs the stuff up, no damage from the machine, only serious damage from the dog.
The old gal is mad at us today!! She's been going way too close to the busy highway to dump, so we blocked her off from going out front and she can only go out back now. She's getting cataracts and we're afraid she'll go in the road by mistake. Grumpy, she is!
Re: Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?
Curt Durand said
Here's an example of how well a CRI Bronze level Oreck Halo vacuum set on the highest pile height setting will maintain a modern "frieze" or as I was taught "shag". Two older adults, nice well maintained home, no children, no pets, carpet down for 8 months. Attachment 8300
How much of that can be attributed to the vacuum? I would have simply thought the carpet wasn't made very well....... but I don't do inspections, so Iwouldn't know what to look for.
Re: Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?
I have looked at number of carpets that look like the pictures Curt posted. The style, texture and problem were all the same. Right or wrong, but I diagnosed the problem as cornrowing. CRI has a good description of the condition.
CRI Technical Bulletin: Cornrowing (02/99)
Cornrowing
"One misunderstood characteristic of carpet is called “cornrowing.” This characteristic has the appearance, somewhat, of a corn field in late fall after the corn has been picked but the stalks were not cut. Some of the corn stalks will be standing erect, others will be broken, and others laying on the ground between the rows. A similar appearance may develop on the higher cut pile, lower density carpet and rugs.
The tufting machine is set to insert the prescribed number of face yarns in the back. As the carpet or rug is made, the face
yarns will stand erect. After the carpet or rug is placed on the floor and subjected to use, there will be considerable pressure placed on the individual face yarns. If the density is high enough, the surrounding tufts help to hold each other erect; however, as the density is decreased, there is less support from the adjacent tufts and some of the tufts may be pushed over. The crushing of these tufts increases the density and this, in turn, helps to hold the other
tufts erect and create the cornrowed appearance.
Crushing of the pile produces the cornrowing; therefore, it is not considered a manufacturing defect. It is what is to be expected of higher cut pile carpet or rugs with lower densities.
Cornrowing develops in the traffic areas or those areas subjected to mechanical action such as in front of chairs, television sets, etc. Vacuuming alone will not raise the fallen yarns. Specially designed carpet rakes will lift the yarns; however, this will not keep them erect as the yarns will be crushed again when subjected to foot traffic."
Since I am from the "Corn State" I figured out what was happening.
Dick Johnson
Re: Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?
Dick, my understanding of cornrowing is a bit different and I have seen it mostly in commercial velvets. I'm not saying I'm correct but I interpret this as a different condition involving twist loss. I use the terms blooming or blossoming to describe the appearance.
I'll try to remember to pull some old photos that are on discs to find some shots of what I term cornrowing. Don't hold your breath though, I am a long time space cadet and will forget unless incessantly prodded to find them...
Re: Is it possible to vacuum frieze WITHOUT damaging it?
Peter Kodner said
I use the terms blooming or blossoming to describe the appearance.
We had a repeat customer buy a Laura Ashley remnant from a retailer we told her to stay away from, she contracted us to install it, there was a row missing in the pile from end to end, about 3 feet in. She contacted the retailer, who came out to look at it while we were there, and he told her that her carpet was "blooming". The retailer would do nothing for her, but he did assure her that she had very good people on it. Suffice it to say we re-arranged the room installation to hide the line under furniture.
. Anyway, as I said before, we have a very cheap polyester frieze, few years old, and a newer, moderately priced vacuum, and it does okay altogether. Fluffs the stuff up, no damage from the machine, only serious damage from the dog.
