Padding for Under a Face to Face Wilton

[rgfloor]

What do you consider the best padding for under a face to face wilton in a LR/DR?

About 64 yards.

[Daris Mulkin]

Hair or synthetic hair is always a safe bet. Or maybe a16 lb rebond.

Daris

[Robert Akin]

Daris,

Could you explain why for those of us who do not get a chance to work with wiltons.



Rob

[mike sliwinski]

rgfloor said What do you consider the best padding for under a face to face Wilton in a LR/DR? About 64 yards.

Surely !! 40 ounce felt padding is the safe bet as the Key aspect for padding under Woven carpets is ---- Minimal Flex ! But their are so many other pads that have IMHO a better feel than felt and still have the appropriate minimal flex or firmness that face to face Wilton's need. Lets face it, these backings, especially the synthetic ones are stiff, making it hard to stretch and pin. If we sell a 3/8 '' or thicker bonded pad ( no matter what the density ) we are risking the carpets flatness to gain a better feel. My criteria for other paddings would be no more than 1/4'' thick and no less than 6.0 lb density.

~Mike

[Daris Mulkin]

Robert Akin said Daris, Could you explain why for those of us who do not get a chance to work with wiltons. Rob

Sure~ wovens don't like the give and take of the traffic. Its all in the construction of the product, the weft and warp cords, especially if they are a natural product. Also very little latex or sizing holding them together.
Some wovens will only stretch in the length {ax] and some in the width{wiltons] so when there is give and take you break down the fibers and they can cause failure of the cords and they come apart.
The face to face of today is kind of a new breed and mostly synthetic {plastic ] and made much cheaper.

Daris

[FlooringGirl]

My choice would be 1/4" 10# commercial padding.

Tia

[strip buster]

in such an area, i would go something dense like a double stick underlay.....sensi slab 'if u have that there' to small an area for thick felt....if i'm reading right...never a fan of felt types in domestic.

[Hoss]

I am a big fan of double stick padding but you have to watch the thickness when doing wall to wall. You will end up with a "picture frame" around the room if the pad is to low/high up against the tackstrip. Good firm felt is another choice.

[FlooringGirl]

Hoss said I am a big fan of double stick padding but you have to watch the thickness when doing wall to wall. You will end up with a "picture frame" around the room if the pad is to low/high up against the tackstrip. Good firm felt is another choice.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that double-sticks don't require tack strip? Maybe you meant baseboard?

Tia

[Barry Carlton]

FlooringGirl said Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that double-sticks don't require tack strip? Maybe you meant baseboard? Tia

Hoss was talking about using the dbl stick pad under the face to face wilton that the thread is about.

[FlooringGirl]

Barry Carlton said Hoss was talking about using the dbl stick pad under the face to face wilton that the thread is about.

Okay, let me be naive - why would you need tack strip for a "double-stick"?

Tia

[Barry Carlton]

FlooringGirl said Okay, let me be naive - why would you need tack strip for a "double-stick"? Tia

The original question was about what padding to use under a Face to Face Wilton. Hoss was suggesting a dense padding that is used under a dbl stick.

[FlooringGirl]

Barry Carlton said The original question was about what padding to use under a Face to Face Wilton. Hoss was suggesting a dense padding that is used under a dbl stick.

Hoss said:
I am a big fan of double stick padding but you have to watch the thickness when doing wall to wall. You will end up with a "picture frame" around the room if the pad is to low/high up against the tackstrip. Good firm felt is another choice.

This is what I am referring to ...

Tia

[Barry Carlton]

FlooringGirl said Hoss said: I am a big fan of double stick padding but you have to watch the thickness when doing wall to wall. You will end up with a "picture frame" around the room if the pad is to low/high up against the tackstrip. Good firm felt is another choice. This is what I am referring to ... Tia

Yes....if a person were to use a firm dbl stick pad under a Face to Face Wilton (stretched in) and if the pad were either too low or too high, there would be a picture frame effect.

[strip buster]

in my opinion, a picture frame will only be evidant if pad is to thick and or tackless is of commercial quality and or stickdown with tackless