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Old September 30, 2007, 09:15 PM
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Ok. We had a guy come in this week to install ceramic tile in a basement room that is going to be my home office. I need to know what people think about this. He's tiled about 1/3 of the room so far. When we went down to look at it the job done so far, we weren't happy.

Right away I noticed that the grout lines (grout hasn't been added yet) are uneven. Where the corners of 4 tiles line up is uneven. And the floor is not level. Since the tiles on the floor aren't level, the bull nose tile used as a baseboard is uneven as well.

When we had the guy, I'll call him Dave, come back to discuss it he said that we were being too picky. But, he didn't put down any grid marks on the floor or start from the middle of the room (so it's not even on both sides) and he measured from the walls (which I'm sure aren't perfect). He also said that our floor just isn't even so the tiles won't be (he didn't tell us this before) and that he started work from the wall because that's how he does it to save time on cutting tile.

We told Dave not to go any further and that we want to "settle up" and negotiate a price for what prep work he did and materials. He said he'd come back and take the whole thing out and call it even. Problem is, if we let him do that, the drywall will get damaged where the bull nose tile is, the ceramic tile will be ruined, we'll have to order new tile at our expense and it won't match in color since it will be another lot. Also, we just don't want him doing anymore work for us no matter what it is.

He feels uncomfortable leaving the tile that is there because he doesn't want us to hire someone else to finish or tear it out and have his work critiqued or picked apart.

His fee was $85 per hour, now I know that flooring guys get paid usually by the square foot. We just want to leave it (but not pay full price) and have my cousin (who used to install flooring for a living) come in and finish the job for less money. I can live with a flawed floor, but not at full price and not by this guy.

We are going to offer him $500 for 3-4 hours of prep work and materials purchased (grout, thin set, and mortar).

I'd like to hear what people think.



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Old September 30, 2007, 10:03 PM
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Re: Bad installation? Tell me please!

If your not happy with the job, fire him. I would not pay him a dime.
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Old September 30, 2007, 11:22 PM
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Re: Bad installation? Tell me please!

What does your cousin installer say about the job? Its hard to say what to do as we don't know the tile or the condition of the floor it is being installed on. Some tile is flat and square and some aren't.
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Where's the picture?
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Old October 1, 2007, 06:15 AM
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pay him nothing.
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Old October 1, 2007, 11:05 AM
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Re: Bad installation? Tell me please!

Sounds like this guy needs alittle................... He not only wouldn't get paid, he would be replacing the tile at his expense or risk being severely injured.
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Old October 1, 2007, 11:22 AM
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Unhappy Re: Bad installation? Tell me please!

I took lots of pics, but the files seem to be too big for this site. I'll try to figure out how to make them smaller or post them somewhere later tonight.

Plus I have an update on this story. I had to call the police today to remove this guy from my house!

I'll write more tonight.

Thanks for the feedback!!

p.s. I have posted some pics & this same story on the Bob Vila site for feedback. If you want to check out the pics go to:
Floor & Tile - BBS - BobVila.com

and click on the topic "Bad installation? Tell me please!" under Floor & Tile on the Bulletin Board.

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Re: Bad installation? Tell me please!

Wow .. He should find another day job ..
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I edited your post to add the pictures, greenbean. Thanks for sharing them with us. You are welcome to use our Gallery to upload your images - the size restrictions are much more relaxed and then you can link them in your posts.

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YIKES!!!!


That guy needs to be arrested!!! That is thievery.
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Old October 1, 2007, 12:56 PM
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Re: Bad installation? Tell me please!

Don't pay in the state that I have my business you have to be a subcontractor and the Register of contractors if called would make him eat it all. He needs to learn how to square a room and if he doesn't know how to grid then invest in spacers.

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Old October 1, 2007, 01:16 PM
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Re: Bad installation? Tell me please!

Thanks a lot! It's easier to describe the situation if you have photos to tell the story.

Thanks.
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Old October 1, 2007, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by steve h View Post
Don't pay in the state that I have my business you have to be a subcontractor and the Register of contractors if called would make him eat it all. He needs to learn how to square a room and if he doesn't know how to grid then invest in spacers.

HAVE A GREAT DAY
Sad thing is, I think he used cross spacers, but he said that he doesn't use them the way that other people do. He took them out as he was going.
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I didn't need to see that!!!
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Re: Bad installation? Tell me please!

I definately want to hear the story with calling the cops on him!!!

The guy can't be too bright, if he turned down the $500.






Originally Posted by greenbean0717 View Post
I took lots of pics, but the files seem to be too big for this site. I'll try to figure out how to make them smaller or post them somewhere later tonight.

Plus I have an update on this story. I had to call the police today to remove this guy from my house!

I'll write more tonight.

Thanks for the feedback!!

p.s. I have posted some pics & this same story on the Bob Vila site for feedback. If you want to check out the pics go to:
Floor & Tile - BBS - BobVila.com

and click on the topic "Bad installation? Tell me please!" under Floor & Tile on the Bulletin Board.

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Here's the images for easier viewing. - TFP Admin


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