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Old July 24, 2012, 07:48 AM   #1
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I found your site by searching google for "vaccums without beater bars".

I have a customer that purchased a 1.34" pile height frieze and I know shaw recommends not using a dyson or a beat bar. So I'm trying to find a vaccum to recommend to her, because I know she vaccums everyday.

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Old July 24, 2012, 10:27 AM   #2
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Glad to have you here Kerri. I copied your original post to this forum so you could get some help looking for a vacuum to recommend. Some vacuums have a beater bar or brush that can be turned off, I think. I hope some of our members will help you out here.

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Old July 24, 2012, 11:32 AM   #3
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I do not believe the issue with the Dyson is the beater bar, per se, as it is the inability to regulate, control or adjust it. It is the 'self-adjusting' aspect that becomes the issue.

Hope this helps.

BTW: Vacuums without beater bars suck. But in a good way Ah, carpet humor, sorry, couldn't help myself.

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Old July 24, 2012, 11:43 AM   #4
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I do not believe the issue with the Dyson is the beater bar, per se, as it is the inability to regulate, control or adjust it. It is the 'self-adjusting' aspect that becomes the issue.

Hope this helps.

BTW: Vacuums without beater bars suck. But in a good way Ah, carpet humor, sorry, couldn't help myself.

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I was always told it was the stiffness of the bristiles. They have the tendency to card the yarn amd make it fuzz.

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Old July 24, 2012, 11:46 AM   #5
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The Hoover Windtunnel may not be a bad choice. It has a height adjustment and an adjustable motor speed. Im not sure if it has the on/off beater bar switch, but that may be something you want too, so you dont fray the fibers.

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Our Dyson has a "Bare Floor" feature that turns the beater bar off. And it really sucks.

And I think Daris is right, the main issue for the bar is the stiffness of the bristles in addition to the lack of height adjustment.

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Our Dyson has a "Bare Floor" feature that turns the beater bar off. And it really sucks.

And I think Daris is right, the main issue for the bar is the stiffness of the bristles in addition to the lack of height adjustment.
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Old July 24, 2012, 07:50 PM   #9
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I found your site by searching google for "vaccums without beater bars".

I have a customer that purchased a 1.34" pile height frieze and I know shaw recommends not using a dyson or a beat bar. So I'm trying to find a vaccum to recommend to her, because I know she vaccums everyday.
The goal is to not allow the roller/brush to make excessive contact with the yarns. They have a heat set twist that can be carded out by excessive brushing. A vacuum with an adjustable pile height option can be set to a proper lift height upwards to allow for the minimum yarn contact needed to properly groom the carpet. Practically all vacuums with "adjustable pile height" are basically running on a skid plate that slides across the carpet and relies on the density of the carpet itself to determine the lift setting. Problem is that lower density carpet styles such as shags, friezes and other higher pile length carpets are characteristically prone to develop crushed pile. The adjustable pile height vacuums do not know the actual length of the carpet yarns and vacuum the carpet at a "one size fits all" height. Longer crushed yarns get the tips excessively carded and your carpet fuzzes out on the tips. This is not directly related to whether the roller/brush has a beater bar element, a raised bump strip or twist shaped roller, to it. This relates to the height setting of the roller/brush. You actually need the beater bar element every so often to fluff loose the crushed trapped yarns that are down in the carpet under other crushed yarns. This is usually referred to as corn rowing and looks like a plowed corn field when it develops. A beater bar serves to vibrate these yarns loose and allow the vacuum to pull them back up. It's kind of a "Catch 22" case. You need some beater bar action but not too much. You need some roller/brush actions but not too much. Some really high pile length carpets are special cases and can only work properly if you just use air suction only and no roller/brush or beater bar action at all. Be prepared to use a carpet rake every so often on these to lift trapped yarns back up. Nothing is free.
Best case would be to get a vacuum that had a twisted roller/beater bar element and a manually adjustable pile height and had an on-off switch controlling the roller/brush. Only one I'm familiar with is a Hoover Platinum Collection Cyclonic. Has all three options listed above. I am sure there are others but none come to mind quickly. Keep in mind that paying a lot does not assure you of a fine vacuum.
I have attached two pictures of what an "adjustable pile height" vacuum can do to a frieze/shag carpet. Notice that the yarns are often damaged on only one of the strands and remain twisted and whole on the other half of the yarn.
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Old July 24, 2012, 08:15 PM   #10
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Sanitaire is a great vacuum . With alot of settings for all type of carpets.

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Old July 25, 2012, 11:48 AM   #11
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Thank you all for responding to my question. I read another thread related to this topic yesterday and it seems like there isn't one particular vaccuum that everyone agrees is the way to go. I'd like to make a recommendation of one or two specific vacuums so it's easier for the customer. ...Harry, any specific Sanitaire vacuum?

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Old July 25, 2012, 02:25 PM   #12
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Thank you all for responding to my question. I read another thread related to this topic yesterday and it seems like there isn't one particular vaccuum that everyone agrees is the way to go. I'd like to make a recommendation of one or two specific vacuums so it's easier for the customer. ...Harry, any specific Sanitaire vacuum?
Model # SC886 you can get a bag or a dust cap

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Old July 25, 2012, 03:04 PM   #13
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Can't turn off the beater bar on this one but I suppose if you go to Hoovers website you could find one that is very similar that you can turn off the beater bar.

http://hoover.com/products/details/u...upright/#parts

This one you can turn the beater bar off and is almost Identical to the one above

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Old July 25, 2012, 08:05 PM   #14
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Model # SC886 you can get a bag or a dust cap
Harry, no on-off for the roller/brush. Need to turn vacuum over, remove the lower shroud and then remove the belt, replace the shroud and turn vacuum back over. Easier to buy one with a switch.

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Old August 22, 2012, 04:54 PM   #15
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The goal is to not allow the roller/brush to make excessive contact with the yarns. They have a heat set twist that can be carded out by excessive brushing. A vacuum with an adjustable pile height option can be set to a proper lift height upwards to allow for the minimum yarn contact needed to properly groom the carpet. Practically all vacuums with "adjustable pile height" are basically running on a skid plate that slides across the carpet and relies on the density of the carpet itself to determine the lift setting. Problem is that lower density carpet styles such as shags, friezes and other higher pile length carpets are characteristically prone to develop crushed pile. The adjustable pile height vacuums do not know the actual length of the carpet yarns and vacuum the carpet at a "one size fits all" height. Longer crushed yarns get the tips excessively carded and your carpet fuzzes out on the tips. This is not directly related to whether the roller/brush has a beater bar element, a raised bump strip or twist shaped roller, to it. This relates to the height setting of the roller/brush. You actually need the beater bar element every so often to fluff loose the crushed trapped yarns that are down in the carpet under other crushed yarns. This is usually referred to as corn rowing and looks like a plowed corn field when it develops. A beater bar serves to vibrate these yarns loose and allow the vacuum to pull them back up. It's kind of a "Catch 22" case. You need some beater bar action but not too much. You need some roller/brush actions but not too much. Some really high pile length carpets are special cases and can only work properly if you just use air suction only and no roller/brush or beater bar action at all. Be prepared to use a carpet rake every so often on these to lift trapped yarns back up. Nothing is free.
Best case would be to get a vacuum that had a twisted roller/beater bar element and a manually adjustable pile height and had an on-off switch controlling the roller/brush. Only one I'm familiar with is a Hoover Platinum Collection Cyclonic. Has all three options listed above. I am sure there are others but none come to mind quickly. Keep in mind that paying a lot does not assure you of a fine vacuum.
I have attached two pictures of what an "adjustable pile height" vacuum can do to a frieze/shag carpet. Notice that the yarns are often damaged on only one of the strands and remain twisted and whole on the other half of the yarn.
Curt- this is a really good explanation of this issue. Forgive me for nitpicking, but your references to a vacuum with a height adjustment option is confusing. I'm certain you mean vacuums with the self adjusting feature as opposed to one with a manual height adjustment.
Thanks, Jeff

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