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Old June 11, 2007, 12:47 PM   #1
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Hi everyone, I need to make a decision real soon on what vinyl plank I should get and if this is a project that I can install myself. I have looked at Mannington Adura, Karndean Van Gogh and will be checking out Metroflor Solidity 40 Collection Hand Scraped vinyl Plank (pictures look fantastic, but haven't seen it in person yet). Also, want to look at Konecto Floating vinyl flooring. Which would be easier to install, The floating or the glue down?
OK, there is an issue that might prevent me from installing the glue down type...maybe, I need an expert to tell me. I have concrete floors and they have been painted & part of them have a polyurethne on top of the paint. the paint is in good condition and was put down over Kiltz primer. no chipping or peeling. Will the adhesive adhere to this?
I have learned a lot about DIY projects around my house during the last 6 years. Bought this house at a reduced price at it was a fixer upper and been working ever since on one project at a time. Oringinally we had carpet put in, but it looks like crap now due to our dogs. I will be doing about 500 sf of flooring. Is this a DIY project...I really can't afford installation fees right now. Thanks for any info!

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Old June 11, 2007, 08:55 PM   #2
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I think you should look at the Konecto. Each product has a learning curve, but I think it would be easier to to learn to work with Konecto, then to learn to spread adhesive, floor prep, not to mention what you may have to do to get a good bond with your existing surface. Good luck !

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Old June 11, 2007, 10:30 PM   #3
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I think you can handle the Konecto and would be a good choice for your application.

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Old June 12, 2007, 07:11 AM   #4
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More questions...I am a little concerned about the Konecto. Do you think that it will hold up as well as the glue down kind? Also, what would I need to do to my floor if I go with the glue down flooring? It is smooth and level already...can I just rent a big sander and sand off the poly and paint enough to give it some teeth to let the glue bond? Also, I have laid vinyl tile before with adhesive with no problem, but I'm sure this is probably harder to lay than tile...but I'm a quick learner. I taught myself how to cut crown molding for my kitchen, cut all new baseboards for the whole house, textured my walls with the old world look using mud, restored my kitchen cabinets and many other numerous things. Thank goodness for the internet....you can find directions on just about any project!

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Linda, Konecto is a great floor and very forgiving for a first timer. It will hold up to wear as it has a commercial wear warranty as well. If you make a mistake you can carefully peel it apart and try again. As far as sanding and glueing, I personally think that would open up possibilities for problems we pros encounter on a regular basis.

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To install the conventional vinyl plank, you would need to get down to the bare comcrete. Shot blasting would be the way to achieve this. Sanding would not do the job the way you think it would; it would just get the 'high" spots, and leave you trying to get all the remaining paint off using a 4" grinder, or other such tool.
When you ask for advice, why not take it? We're here to help!

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Thanks for your help! I plan on taking your advice...I just wanted to know what was involved in order to lay the glue vinyl plank because I really really loved the Mannington Adura and Karndean. Don't much care for the Konecto, just doesn't look as much like real wood as the other two, but I guess I don't have much of a choice now. I'm sure not going to get that paint blasted off! I am so grateful that I found this forum and got your expert advice because the man at the Adura store told me it would be fine to lay it right over the paint, somehow I didn't believe that. I would have invested that money and then found this out to late if it wasn't for you all. Thanks so much! What you think about laminate? (I have dogs)

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As an inspector I love laminate and dogs, it is good for business.

Dogs scratch it, move it, pee on it and in general make a mess of it.

My 2cents!

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Old June 12, 2007, 09:19 PM   #9
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I've never heard of floating vinyl flooring? Anyway, if you want to glue down vinyl planks on concrete, the first thing you need to do is take all the paint, etc. off by grinding or however. After that, you will want to take a moisture test. This will determine if you need to seal off any moisture. After that, you either seal off the moisture and then glue down, or just glue down, BUT you will need to make sure you are getting a product that is warranted below grade, if you are below grade. Hope this helps, Tia

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Laminate has a harder surface than vinyl or real wood so in having dogs running around the house don't expect it to not get scratched. But it can take some abuse. I've installed it in many a house with pets and the people love their floor, so it depends on your own expectations of how you want it to look and go from there.

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Old June 15, 2007, 06:47 PM   #11
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Linda, Konecto is a great floor and very forgiving for a first timer. It will hold up to wear as it has a commercial wear warranty as well. If you make a mistake you can carefully peel it apart and try again. As far as sanding and glueing, I personally think that would open up possibilities for problems we pros encounter on a regular basis.
We recently got a display on this Konecto flooring, and although it was new to me, I can see where it would avoid a number of potential substrate issues. I just bid a job at a restaurant with it, and my only concern is that my sample seams don't want to stay down tight. This product might have avoided some serious issues recently with a bookstore I did in an old building. We used glue-down luxury vinyl planks, and the floor prep cost me arond $4,000. I don't really have an opinion on this new product yet, but might soon!
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Thanks for the info Tia. I am still thinking about the vinyl planks and also the Konecto planks. I know that if I go with the glue down planks, I will have a lot more expense of removing that paint first. What luxury Vinyl did you use on that book store project?

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You can also do a bond test on the paint. Glue a few pieces of vinyl down (maybe the store you intend to buy from will work with you if you explain what you are trying to do). You will need some of the adhesive the manufacturer recommends. Glue them down, let them sit for a week or so and see how they pull up. If the poly and/or paint comes up, the coating will have to go or a floating floor may be easier. If not, you can decide if you want to go with the vinyl. Big Caveat: you probably will void the manufacturer's warranty, although any type of product defect would be hard for them to walk away from. If there was an adhesive problem, you might have a difficult time, but they are very, very rare and usually affect a very large batch.

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I would not recommend putting any type adhesive over the paint. I doubt the paint is latex (too soft for a floor) therefore if the adhesive used is latex there is a strong possibility you will get a chemical reaction called plastisizer miagration. If this happens you will loose the new floor plus the floor will have to be bead blasted to remove the paint and adhesive mess. Don't take short cuts because your first floor may wind up being practice.

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Thanks for the info Tia. I am still thinking about the vinyl planks and also the Konecto planks. I know that if I go with the glue down planks, I will have a lot more expense of removing that paint first. What luxury Vinyl did you use on that book store project?
I used Tarkett Better Living Collection handscraped. It is absolutely beautiful, but as I said before, the floor prep to remove many years of things which the adhesive might react with was a real problem. We did get our display for the Konecto and I've already sampled some to a restaurant and a doctor's office ... *gulp*. My biggest concern about it, even though I've heard great reviews, is what will happen whether it will stay down well at the seams, as it isn't stuck to the floor - and what if the adhesive on the seams weakens over time? Will it just all pop up?

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