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This discussion, "Age of Installers", in Flooring Potpourri (part of the category The Professional Forums), begins, "Could not agree with you guys more ..
Haven't worked for a store in at least 20 years .. The ..."
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May 11, 2008, 10:37 PM
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Re: Age of Installers
Could not agree with you guys more ..
Haven't worked for a store in at least 20 years .. The couple of good stores i did work for years ago finally went under ..
I still don't understand the mindset that it takes no special skills or smarts to be a installer .. I blame that in part on the Mills ..I guess like everything in life it comes down to one thing .. Money ..
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Originally Posted by rusty baker
I know our trade gets less respect than others. But line up at a retailer to load and look at the guys in line. Dirty clothes, rust-bucket vehicles, gaudy tatoos and bad attitudes.
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Hey buddy.... you're pushin' yer limits with the "rust bucket" comment............. Rust holds my paint chips together.  ................. no, I'm not kiddin'.
Originally Posted by Nick Arrera
I use to pay green helpers $150.00 a day .. they were 30 yrs old and still living at home .. Could not depend on them showing up for work .. A lot of them said the work was to tough for the money ..
and yes the guys are scruffy looking , and just don't give a damn about learning ..
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That's more than I make now. ........how much ya paying these days for a balding guy with long hair?  ...............and I don't start till 10:00.
Originally Posted by rusty baker
I don't think overall workmanship is as good now as it was 20 years ago.
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I don't think overall carpet quality is the same either.................. the backings today suck.
T's gonna rag on me for all these postings ain't he?
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May 11, 2008, 11:38 PM
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Re: Age of Installers
When I had help I always seemed to pay them more than I should have just to keep them onboard. They still quit. It is a tough trade to stay on top of insurance, taxes, paperwork ect. It seems more and more that government doesn't want us to work. I too noticed the pics of the meeting, alot of knowledge there I bet. I'm the age now that the installers that I learned from were. I see the other side of the hill now. This trade is changing alot faster now than it did back in the 80's and 90's. Along with all the other technology advancements or setbacks.
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May 11, 2008, 11:53 PM
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Re: Age of Installers
Originally Posted by kwfloors
When I had help I always seemed to pay them more than I should have just to keep them onboard. They still quit. It is a tough trade to stay on top of insurance, taxes, paperwork ect. It seems more and more that government doesn't want us to work. I too noticed the pics of the meeting, alot of knowledge there I bet. I'm the age now that the installers that I learned from were. I see the other side of the hill now. This trade is changing alot faster now than it did back in the 80's and 90's. Along with all the other technology advancements or setbacks.
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Well said.
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Re: Age of Installers
Hu? Why would I do that???  (he said after he merged all those posts into one)
I love power. 
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Re: Age of Installers
Someone mentioned that installing was hard work, and I agree. However, hard work might be keeping some of the young out of the trade, but I believe if the rewards are great enough that would not be an issue. Example on Friday of the workshop, the VO-Tech was having a contest with the masonery students laying concrete blocks and bricks making a wall. There were many students involved, and that is hard work and when the contest was over I spoke to some of the dirty tired kids and they were proud.
Lets work to bring young people into our profession with pride.
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May 12, 2008, 12:54 PM
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Re: Age of Installers
Originally Posted by kwfloors
This trade is changing alot faster now than it did back in the 80's and 90's. Along with all the other technology advancements or setbacks.
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Changes are what it's all about. I'm an old guy, 63+ and I see younger guys that don't want to embrace the newer install methods and they are having problems. Old habits are hard to break. I mostly do vinyl and the new stuff is great. No plywood, no glueing, no problems. In and out, I like that. Customers like it too. Some may disagree, but I like it. 
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May 12, 2008, 09:35 PM
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Re: Age of Installers
I agree that younger people do not seem to want to work, really work! We live in a society that promotes instant gratification. Thus, the youth among us want everything, (I mean everything) now. This attitude permeates all fields of professions unfortunately. The answer is to train the generation following the last one to be industrious. Whether they choose a blue collar or white collar profession!!
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May 13, 2008, 12:00 AM
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Re: Age of Installers
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Re: Age of Installers
are we talking chronological age, or estimated with an MRI age?
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May 21, 2008, 05:58 PM
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Re: Age of Installers
Whatever kindda age we're talkin about, I am feelin it real bad right now. Got bored sittin around gettin lazy and fishin way too much....  ....didn't think that was possible, so I took a 280 yd double stick tear-out and a...........mind just went blank....  .....Shaw piece......oh well, install. So started it Monday mornin thinkin easy three day job......  .....@#$%#....I aint been this sore in my frikken life......  .....and it looks like it will take me another full day to finish it up tomorrow.....
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Re: Age of Installers
cp getting old is heck. Do I need to send you some Oklahoma deep rub? You can rub this stuff on or drink it. It is sold in quart fruit jars.
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May 22, 2008, 12:29 PM
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Re: Age of Installers
Do I need to send you some Oklahoma deep rub? You can rub this stuff on or drink it. It is sold in quart fruit jars.
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If you are also a Hawaiian Luau Dancer in your spare time you can use that stuff to burn in your torches too. Is that the stuff?
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May 22, 2008, 12:54 PM
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Re: Age of Installers
oh yes very flamable.
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