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"Olefin sidematch," in the Flooring Potpourri forum, begins: "I often hear that polypropylenes/olefins can not have a sidematch problem. Here's a recent inspection of carpet in a church. ..."


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Old February 22, 2010, 03:28 PM   #1
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Olefin sidematch


I often hear that polypropylenes/olefins can not have a sidematch problem. Here's a recent inspection of carpet in a church. Direct glued graphic looped polypropylene. Sure looks like a sidematch problem. First fact: Drops were not reversed.
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Old February 22, 2010, 03:40 PM   #2
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So it is not a color issue but a tension issue. Larger loops reflect less light, that changes the color that we see.

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Old February 22, 2010, 03:44 PM   #3
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...Larger loops reflect less light, that changes the color that we see.
Wouldn't a larger/looser loop reflect MORE light - more surface area, more light to reflect? Isn't that why the left side is lighter?

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Old February 22, 2010, 05:48 PM   #4
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It is not an issue of more light being reflected. It is an issue of more of the light loops exposed on the light side. Texture sidematch, tension. all the same. Tufting machine malfunction.

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Old February 22, 2010, 08:18 PM   #5
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You guys are gooooood! Exactly on the mark. The tighter loops show more of the white design elements and the looser loops show more of the dark cranberry background. The face also shows rougher on the looser side and this will create additional shadowing.

Next question is "Do you think this could be color blended?"

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Old February 22, 2010, 08:44 PM   #6
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Define "color blended"

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Old February 22, 2010, 09:26 PM   #7
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It used be that olefin had to be dyed in it liquid state but I think thaey found a way to do it after it was extruded. So it may be possible to color blend it. I don't know for sure don't know that much about color blending today.

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Old February 22, 2010, 09:54 PM   #8
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Color blending is fixing side match color problems with a carpet. You dye one side to blend to the other. There are classes for color correction if you have the eye for it. The nearest one to us is the Dyers Guild in Seattle I think. Big bucks if you can do it.

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Old February 22, 2010, 10:08 PM   #9
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I would say you are wasting your money trying to color blend. It is not a color concern from the dye so how would just adding more dye help.

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Old February 22, 2010, 10:08 PM   #10
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I have been known to reverse lay them when they are that bad and have to be installed. Looks like that might have been one you could reverse and who's gonna know........

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Old February 22, 2010, 10:21 PM   #11
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I have been known to reverse lay them when they are that bad and have to be installed. Looks like that might have been one you could reverse and who's gonna know........
Reversed drops may have worked. No way to tell from a simple visual inspection. You could actually see the difference as you scanned across the width. Be interesting to see it tried.

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Old February 23, 2010, 06:19 AM   #12
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Color blending is not possible due to the nature of olefin yarn. Texture sidematch in nylon can be improved with dye.

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Old February 23, 2010, 08:23 AM   #13
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Color blending is fixing side match color problems with a carpet. You dye one side to blend to the other. There are classes for color correction if you have the eye for it. The nearest one to us is the Dyers Guild in Seattle I think. Big bucks if you can do it.
Thanks for the info. I've never heard of dyeing one side of the carpet. Seems like it would be quite the process haha.

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Old February 23, 2010, 08:40 AM   #14
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Re: Olefin sidematch


Mike has my complete respect when it comes to dyeing issues (and I certainly listen to everything he has to say about other issues too !). I have yet to find anyone whose opinion I value more.

Olefin and polyester have very low absorption rates. The dyeable olefins, to my knowledge, never really went anywhere in the market and I am not even sure they are being sold. They are pigmented and not dyed. Polyesters require an entirely different type of dye than nylon, making them difficult and impractical to correct on sites.

My success rate doing sidematch corrections is not where I would like it to be, probably due to limited practice. I would love for it to be a larger share of my work.

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Old February 23, 2010, 11:35 AM   #15
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Re: Olefin sidematch


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Color blending is fixing side match color problems with a carpet. You dye one side to blend to the other. There are classes for color correction if you have the eye for it. The nearest one to us is the Dyers Guild in Seattle I think. Big bucks if you can do it.
one of my builder friend's had that done i never saw it sounds kinda....

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