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Old October 6, 2010, 02:27 PM   #1
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4 Dogs - Hardwood? Laminate? Carpet? Tile?


Hello,

I just recently found this webiste/forum and I am truely glad I did. Me and my wife have been searching for new flooring for the past year. Our MAIN concern is our dogs. We have 4 of them.

3 of them are 15 lbs or less but we have an english bulldog that is around 55 lbs. We are looking for a floor that will be the best for them and something they cannot ruin very easily.

We have talked to many different stores/installers in our area (Central Pa) and we cannot make up our mind. Pretty much everyone we talk to suggest different things, I assume its whatever they would like to sell us.

Our first option we chose was tile, and everything was great until we got the installation estimate. We do not want to pay 5-6 thousand for aroud 650-700 sq ft. just to insall - Not including the tile itself.

We then chose hardwood but quickly found out our bulldog would have a field day with that and ruin it rather quickly, but were also told we can always have it buffed out.

We then were talked into Laminate and some hard pressure laminates. We found some that we actually thought looked pretty nice but all of the stores insist on bashing the other stores products and everytime we find one we like that is pretty exspensive ( 7-8 bucks a sq ft) we are told its b/c it is the "best" quality laminate. I am not an expert on any flooring so I dont know what to believe.

We also found carpet at one of the stores that has a Lifetime stain warrenty on it and you only need water to clean up any accidents a dog might leave. I forget the actual name brand of that carpet.

Any opinions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Our dogs are potty trained but we still have some accidents every now and then.

Thank You,

JJ

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Old October 6, 2010, 02:42 PM   #2
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It's not a good idea to try to save a few thousand dollars by buying a floor that's not suitable for your lifestyle. Bite the bullet and go for a good quality tile. You know that's what you want. Just spend the money and be happy.

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Old October 6, 2010, 03:05 PM   #3
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We have 2 large dogs in our house, a black lab and a golden retriever. I put Armstrong laminate (looks like slate) through the kitchen and dining room 5 years ago. Other than hiring a plumber that didn't know how to plumb,the floor still looks awesome except for where the dishwasher leaked 17 times before water found its way underneath. I recommend the laminate.

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Old October 6, 2010, 04:29 PM   #5
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Old October 6, 2010, 06:39 PM   #6
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It's not a good idea to try to save a few thousand dollars by buying a floor that's not suitable for your lifestyle. Bite the bullet and go for a good quality tile. You know that's what you want. Just spend the money and be happy.
I agree with this, its expensive but it is what will work to your satisfaction anything else will not hold up IMO.

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Old October 6, 2010, 06:46 PM   #7
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re: "ruining" hardwood: I'm a dog guy and a carpet guy and I would rather not have a stitch of the stuff in my house. Don't tell any of my carpet customers but having wall to wall carpet is basically stretching a rag over a sponge throughout your abode.

I have had very good luck with finish-on-site wood floors (I have never had prefinish). My 70lb guy doesnt leave scratches but he's pretty sedate until you get him outside. My 20lb girl is scratching the holy poo out of the polyurethane finish. But: no deeper. Guess what? I barely notice. I plan on hitting the floors with a buffer when we move and even telling the landlord. I'm sure it'll be fine with him. If not, someone can refinish the floors. Not a tragedy.

I prefer wood to ceramic but if it's ceramic you want... just get it. I doubt if a install/sand/finish oak floor would be much cheaper.

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JJ,

There is only one of those choices that will perform well in all rooms and especially with pets. And... in the long run it's also the cheapest to own by far.....ceramic.

Forget carpet if you can. It'll contribute to allergies, dust mites and is not sanitary. (It is warm and soft though). Laminates can be easy to maintain but most don't look so good and they sound cheap when walking on it. They are not sanitary, a step up from vinyl I would say. Hardwood is very nice, but pets and wet feet will ruin it. It's fine for the study, but high traffic areas will need help every 5-8 years if you want them to look like new. Larger dogs and water dish bad news.

5-6K sounds about right, but it all depends on the installation method and if there's any additional prep necessary. There usually is of course.

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Old October 7, 2010, 05:02 AM   #9
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As you see there is no perfect floor for pets. If you are going to have dogs and cats in the house, floor replacement is part of the expense of owning the house pets.

Get what you want knowing it will be replaced or repaired in the future because of damage by pets.

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I agree with this, its expensive but it is what will work to your satisfaction anything else will not hold up IMO.
My dog is only allowed in the living room, dining room and kitchen where I've got porcelain tile, fairly recently installed by me. As long as we've had the dog it's always been tile.

Down the hall to the bedrooms I've got an engineered hardwood (merboau) and then all the bedrooms are carpet.


Let's say we've agreed on a tile of some sort. As far as the abuse from pets and children how would the tile experts here rank the various types of tiles for standing up to the worst case scenarios?

I had a travertine in the living room that didn't hold up because it was "honed and polished. The honed part just popped loose. When I bought the house the kitchen/dining area had a mosaic/ceramic tile that I was very fond of and held up to all the abuse. It was only replaced for cosmetic reasons because it just didn't blend in with the remodel.

The cleanest and most durable would be terrazzo. After that I don't know amongst the various natural stones, ceramics, porcelain and whatnot as to what is the best for the harder abuse situation. I've spent my whole adult life in flooring and don't really know that aspect of the residential market. Imagine how difficult it must be for the average consumer?

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Old October 7, 2010, 08:24 PM   #11
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I would go with a porcelain for availability, choice of design/colors, and durability. When it comes to price, it comes in well under the cost of stone, let alone the installation fees.


JJ, I have a few questions:

1. What area do you live in?

2. Did you get more than one estimate for the installation?

3. Would your new floor be going over a concrete slab or a crawl space with a joist system?

Over a crawl space, that price doesn't seem too unreasonable given the cost of underlayment and installation. Over a slab that needs minimal prep, $8.50 seems high to me, although that may be well within the price range in your area.

Were there any extras on the estimate you referred to, such as subfloor prep, removal/replacement of trim and toilets, etc.?

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Hello,

I just recently found this webiste/forum and I am truely glad I did. Me and my wife have been searching for new flooring for the past year. Our MAIN concern is our dogs. We have 4 of them.

3 of them are 15 lbs or less but we have an english bulldog that is around 55 lbs. We are looking for a floor that will be the best for them and something they cannot ruin very easily.

We have talked to many different stores/installers in our area (Central Pa) and we cannot make up our mind. Pretty much everyone we talk to suggest different things, I assume its whatever they would like to sell us.

Our first option we chose was tile, and everything was great until we got the installation estimate. We do not want to pay 5-6 thousand for aroud 650-700 sq ft. just to insall - Not including the tile itself.

We then chose hardwood but quickly found out our bulldog would have a field day with that and ruin it rather quickly, but were also told we can always have it buffed out.

We then were talked into Laminate and some hard pressure laminates. We found some that we actually thought looked pretty nice but all of the stores insist on bashing the other stores products and everytime we find one we like that is pretty exspensive ( 7-8 bucks a sq ft) we are told its b/c it is the "best" quality laminate. I am not an expert on any flooring so I dont know what to believe.

We also found carpet at one of the stores that has a Lifetime stain warrenty on it and you only need water to clean up any accidents a dog might leave. I forget the actual name brand of that carpet.

Any opinions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Our dogs are potty trained but we still have some accidents every now and then.

Thank You,

JJ
1. Dogs can ruin almost any floor very easily. It takes training the dog and being willing to care for the floor CONSTANTLY. Better yet leave the dogs outside where they belong.

2. Seems a little high, but I can only assume it includes floor prep and cement board (backer board) of some type. Central Pa. most homes are build over full basements, right?

3. How do ya buff black urine stains out of hardwood, or deep scars in the finish. That comment is bogus in my opinion.

4. ALL laminates are unfriendly to pets. I looked at one this week with scattered swollen spots, home to 3 little dogs. The lady said they rarely have accidents, but testing for urine was positive. The cage was sitting on a microfiber towel, under it the floor was swollen on all sides. Pets indoors=deadly enemy of laminate.

5. What a laugh!! If that spiel were true the pattern would be diamond plate and it would come in two colors, chrome and rust. You would install it with an aceylene torch. LOL!!!

If ya ask nicely I will tell ya how I REALLY feel!!

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...leave the dogs outside where they belong.
At your home, dogs belong outside. At my home and millions of pet owners' homes around the world, dogs belong inside if they wanna be inside. And they are welcome on the bed or anywhere they wanna be curled up at my feet keeping my toes warm. Since I was a child, dogs have always been house pets. I can only imagine your admonishment to leave dogs outside is like telling everyone with a house pet for a family member to just quit breathing in certain rooms of a home.

JJ, my suggestion is to imagine yourself with claws on the ends of your toes. What floor would you get then? It's difficult to recommend anything because you didn't tell us what room(s) you need flooring in. In my small apartment, I wanted the same flooring everywhere to make it look bigger. I like hardwood best, but I have other concerns that prohibited that kind of flooring. I found a luxury vinyl tile that has a very realistic appearance - it has fooled everyone who has walked through my door so far.

If tile is out of your budget, then maybe a tile-look LVT will work. Some brands scratch easier than others. I'm getting ready to do my bedroom next and will be installing Karndean luxury vinyl tile that looks like real hardwood. A piece of it has been being kicked around my living room floor for several weeks now and not one scratch. It's very easy to maintain too - just sweep and mop occasionally.

Whatever floor, be sure to read all the fine print. A warranty is only as good as your adherence to the conditions. And when consulting anyone about your flooring choices and installation, make sure they are qualified to provide the advice and service. My experience has been that very few sales people at big box stores actually have the expertise to offer professional advice or information. And no decent installer actually works for the rates you hear advertised in the media. That's just a ploy put out there by those same unqualified big box marketing geniuses.

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Old October 8, 2010, 12:51 PM   #14
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There are days when the dog is the only one here to talk at while I'm watching TV with my laptop computing. She doesn't say much, but she's a good listener.

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Old October 13, 2010, 01:51 PM   #15
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some of the engineered hardwoods like bruce have more resilliency...I am a carpet guy too and what You are going to have to accept is that you have dogs....If you want perfect affordable flooring that lasts, you will have to get rid of the dogs...so find a medium and be prepared to do flooring work every ten years, or get the tile and finance it.....unless you put in a natural raw wood like oak and do seven coats of Verithatne....it will be more than the tile though


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