stretchers

TFP Admin · July 8, 2009, 10:49 AM

DJ said

what do you mean by never getting a good job from a manufacturer? inspection?installing?:confuse d:

I think he means a show of appreciation. An "atta boy" or

, Peter.

Jim

Peter Kodner · July 8, 2009, 05:56 PM

Just as T said, I meant an acknowledgment of an inspection done well. We all like to know we are loved and valued and irreplaceable and...

Must have watched too much of the memorial yesterday...

rgfloor · July 8, 2009, 08:29 PM

Peter Kodner said

We all like to know we are loved and valued and irreplaceable and...

..

Peter!!!! You need to get out of the house and do more work. You are spending too much time with the lady and she is filling your head with nonsense. I think it is called getting spoiled!!

Peter Kodner · July 8, 2009, 11:00 PM

Did a re-inspect today. Not one another inspector did, but the replacement carpet on one

stullis · July 9, 2009, 07:34 AM

Jerry Thomas said

If I said mills do not require retailers/installers who buy goods from them to power stretch each job, would I be correct or incorrect?

You would be correct Jerry.

Why? Because there is no definitive test to say that a carpet has or hasn't been stretched much less properly stretched.

There can be indications that a strtech has been applied ie. tiger tracks on the backing or stretcher or knee kicker damage to the face yarns but again their presence does not mean it has been done properly.

No test, no requirement.

davegarden · July 9, 2009, 08:47 AM

Are you sure? I thought the mills sponsored the CRI 104-105. It clearly states that the use of a power stretcher is mandatory. I have had customers who buy their carpet online hand me a copy downloaded from the internet when I was measuring.

Peter Kodner · July 9, 2009, 09:45 AM

Stullis, we will always disagree about determining if a stretcher was used, but you are 100% correct in that it cannot be determined if the specified 1-1 1/2% stretch was obtained. I have also never met or employed a mechanic who knows the size of the room and has calculated how much carpet will have to be trimmed off for proper stretching. It has always been a "feel" process.

Daris & Roland: What does CFI say about how to know when the proper amount of stretch has been applied?

DJ · July 9, 2009, 11:43 AM

i worked for a shop that measured "net" to make for stretch

also pre cut pad for the same reason CHEAP!

rusty baker · July 9, 2009, 11:47 AM

"Net" won't work in old houses around here. Many are 3-4 inches out of square.

Daris Mulkin · July 9, 2009, 12:18 PM

CFI~at trainings we say the 1-1 1/2 %.
Personally I know a lot of the time it isn't going to happen. I go by feel mostly. I have done the chalk line thing and marked out the percentages and some times you make it sometimes you don't, sometimes you go way beyond without a problem. Basically when it wants to stop stretching I quit.
Each piece is different, even sometimes off the same roll.

Daris

Peter Kodner · July 9, 2009, 01:45 PM

Daris Mulkin said

CFI~at trainings we say the 1-1 1/2 %.
Personally I know a lot of the time it isn't going to happen. I go by feel mostly. I have done the chalk line thing and marked out the percentages and some times you make it sometimes you don't, sometimes you go way beyond without a problem. Basically when it wants to stop stretching I quit.
Each piece is different, even sometimes off the same roll.

Daris

Daris, I knew that was how you would reply! I agree with you but it takes a while to get that feel. I also glad you have documented, albeit maybe not in a "lab" environment, the vagaries of stretching.

But think of the mill denials that could be short circuited if the installer comes back with:" The cut was 10', I stretched 3/4" and felt the backing would tear if any more was put on it." or, "The cut was 25' and I stretched 4 1/2 inches, but it was still as loose as my Grandma's nylons, so I got two more inches out of it." Written down with a time and date...

Just some food for thought... and I know how much installers love paperwork...

Floorguy · July 9, 2009, 05:57 PM

rusty baker said

"Net" won't work in old houses around here. Many are 3-4 inches out of square.

Here, it is just the opposite.

The old homes are solid and square with straight walls, it is the new fast paced homes built in the last 20 years, that are the worst.

DJ · July 10, 2009, 07:32 AM

yep! all the new construction i do are not square at all.

there was one, i thought i was tired

looking at a window, it looked crooked

owner/contractor walked up behind me said "yep she's crooked" (freaked me out

i did not know he was behind me).

rusty baker · July 10, 2009, 07:54 AM

Did one where a 10' countertop touched the wall on both ends and there was a 4" gap in the middle. $250,000 house. New construction.

stullis · July 10, 2009, 08:28 AM

davegarden said

Are you sure? I thought the mills sponsored the CRI 104-105. It clearly states that the use of a power stretcher is mandatory. I have had customers who buy their carpet online hand me a copy downloaded from the internet when I was measuring.

CRI 104-105 are guidelines of recommended installation methods. The industry has twisted them into mandatory requirements even though most of it is speculation whether CRI guidleines have been followed.

Peter they would use that documentation against you.

Installers are damned if they do and damned if they don't.