"stretchers," in the Flooring Products, Tools & Supplies on EBAY forum, begins: "Scott, the publications are titled standards and include guidelines for certain aspects. Given the time they have been out, the ..."
Scott, the publications are titled standards and include guidelines for certain aspects. Given the time they have been out, the continued referral to them by manufacturers and other trade groups, use by installation schools and their inclusion in most specifications for construction work don't see as how anyone could argue they are not industry standards. Courts will refer ,and often defer, to industry standards when making rulings. It did not become the standard because CRI said "This is the standard!", but rather by the widespread use throughout the trade over a significant period of time..
There may be speculation by some if they have been followed, but I make sure any statement I make is documented and usually have photographic confirmation.
I'm not sure what you mean in how "they" (who is they?) will use it against me
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A year and a half ago at the Building Bridges Conference we went round and round over this. The installers did not think they were mandatory and the inspectors felt they were.
Since most installers do not have to be certified or licensed, how can any rule be mandatory. I have never had a retailer even ask if I follow these guidelines.
The title of the publication is "The Carpet and Rug Institute STANDARD for Installation of Residential Carpet". What is done after that is up to the individual.
I have an idea for a poll here, (if I alrady said this sorry, long week). How many installers here have ever been the subject of a customer (or any) claim for installation failure?
Aside from that, no sense in continuing to post in this thread, very job is different, we could argue for weeks, I sit in awe at those here that do everything by the BOOK, and have the luxury of packing up their tools and walking away when they can't. My hat is off to those guys.
To everyone that only power stretches, you can all donate your knee Kickers to me, they obviously have no use to you, so I will pay shipping and take them off your hands.
Don't say you need them for seams, that is why they make mini stretchers, and those sqeezie things.......
The title of the publication is "The Carpet and Rug Institute STANDARD for Installation of Residential Carpet". What is done after that is up to the individual.
Just curious, what year did they become the "STANDARD"?
"They" would be the manufacturer/mill, attorneys, courts, inspectors, dealers/retailers, GC's, homeowners, and anyone else with a financial interest in placing the blame on anyone but themselves.
Demon,
I have had others try to pin stuff on me. Everyone of them was because they didn't want to pay to have the prodcut installed correctly. Didn't want to pay for testing, prep, heat etc. They got to pay a second time.
It isn't about doing it by "the book" or walking. It is about walking if the risk is too great. When you are young hungry and inexperienced you take more risks than you probably should.
Kickers assist you in moving the carpet, not to be used for the primary stretching.
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stullis said
Just curious, what year did they become the "STANDARD"?
The oldest one that I have is 1994, it is also the first one I ever saw. Keep in mind I started in 1969, so I installed for 25 years before I even knew it existed. By that time I was installing exclusively vinyl and wood.
The closest I came to a claim against me was a carpet install, I did before X-Mas, the guy was in a rush, but ironically, I noticed the vinyl floor in the kitchen was a complete mess, his sons installed it (to save a few bucks). It was maybe 120 yards in a raised ranch, and this guy was livid over the kitchen floor.
Now here is the cool part, I needed 3 feet of metal, for a transition to the kitchen. I had to leave the job, buy a 3 foot piece of metal from Rickels (no Home Depots back then) and it came with the exact number of nails the metal needed. I get a call 2 weeks later from this guy, threatening to sue me!!!
He says I left a nail on the job, it got stuck in his sneaker, and it ripped his kitchen floor. (a Gold nail). I said sue me, he says but you can just file a claim wth your insurance, I said no there is no way I am going to do that. I have a vinyl floor in my bathroom, I can guarantee you i can not rip it with a gold nail if i tried.
I think I told him we san go to Rickels and count the nails, but I was not going to submit a claim.
stullis said
Just curious, what year did they become the "STANDARD"?
"They" would be the manufacturer/mill, attorneys, courts, inspectors, dealers/retailers, GC's, homeowners, and anyone else with a financial interest in placing the blame on anyone but themselves.
Demon,
I have had others try to pin stuff on me. Everyone of them was because they didn't want to pay to have the prodcut installed correctly. Didn't want to pay for testing, prep, heat etc. They got to pay a second time.
It isn't about doing it by "the book" or walking. It is about walking if the risk is too great. When you are young hungry and inexperienced you take more risks than you probably should.
Kickers assist you in moving the carpet, not to be used for the primary stretching.
