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"Nailing for Pine Plank," in the Hardwood and Laminates Q&A forum, begins: "Hi all, I will be installing my first raw wood floor. It will be 6" pine plane with v reveals ..."

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Old August 22, 2011, 12:59 PM   #1
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Nailing for Pine Plank


Hi all,

I will be installing my first raw wood floor. It will be 6" pine plane with v reveals over a 3/4" plywood subfloor and rosin paper. My question is for attachment. I would like to simply face nail with masonry cut nails, or if that appears that it will take too long, use 8d finishing nails through a nail gun. Do I need to tongue nail this or glue as well?

Altnernately, if I tongue nailed, would I also need to face nail?

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Old August 22, 2011, 01:47 PM   #2
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These nails weren't meant to have great holding power. In a flooring application, I would think they were more aesthetic than fastener. If it were me, I would probably use a combination of urethane wood adhesive and use staples/cleats in the tongue. Then you can drive the masonry cut nails in an aesthetically pleasing pattern.

Maybe other pros wouldn't use the adhesive. I would only use adhesive because of the extra holding power on a wood that is soft and has a propensity to warp and curl. Unless you are referring to a quality heart pine flooring, which is less likely to warp than other qualities. You didn't provide any details like the quality, thickness or brand. Those can be important to providing proper installation guidance.

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Old August 22, 2011, 01:51 PM   #3
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Thanks, Jim. This is beetle kill pine from the Rockies in a 1x6 thickness. It's pretty soft, and I understand that most of the pine councils recommend not gluing. I had never thought of cut nails until this project, and every post I've read is contradictory on their holding power (what you say does make more sense though). If instead of the cut nail I used a straight finishing nail, would I still need to tongue nail?

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Old August 22, 2011, 02:35 PM   #4
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Well, I should have mentioned that I have never installed a pine floor before. Kinda hard to believe, since I live in in the Plumas National Forest, which is full of pine trees and lumber mills. And you should definitely pay more attention to council guidelines than me. If they say no glue, don't glue. I haven't seen them say no to glue, but I haven't read where they say yes either.

A straight finish nail doesn't have much holding power either, unless you are nailing diagonally into the tongue of each board every 8". I thought you were going for the square nail head look with the masonry cut nail. Back in the day (the 70s to me), the beveled edge square nail head was "the look" people wanted around here. Some prefinished product came with the nail heads pre-set at the ends of each plank.

Beetle Kill Pine flooring already has tons of character, with lots of knots and contrast in the grain patterns. The square head nail look might just be overkill and would get lost in the mix. Just my opinion, but you don't really need to add character to an already character rich floor.

If it's just holding power, then you can face nail wider planks. Your 6" planks aren't wide enough to make this mandatory, but it wouldn't hurt either. Use a screw type finish nail that has better hold power though.

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Old August 22, 2011, 04:48 PM   #5
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Do yourself a favor and buy a flooring nailer, then sell it after your project. There are tons of them on ebay.

Also, rosin paper is not an approved vapor retarder. Use 15 lb roofing felt paper.

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Old August 22, 2011, 05:18 PM   #6
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Here's a link to flooring nailers on ebay: flooring nailer | eBay

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Old August 26, 2011, 05:14 PM   #7
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as a habit, everything we install over 4" wide will get both glue and staples. just nails( face nails or tongue nails ) will not prevent your boards from moving with variations in moisture and temp. between seasons. 6" is considered WIDE around here ( Atlanta, GA). I wouldn't never just staple it ( not to mention just nail).

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as a habit, everything we install over 4" wide will get both glue and staples. just nails( face nails or tongue nails ) will not prevent your boards from moving with variations in moisture and temp. between seasons. 6" is considered WIDE around here ( Atlanta, GA). I wouldn't never just staple it ( not to mention just nail).
Welcome to TFP, MSC.

Why, as a habit? Just asking you to share.

No mechanical fasteners, nor adhesive will stop wood from shrinking or swelling due to changes in moisture and temperatures.

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