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Old April 18, 2008, 08:27 PM   #1
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Hardwood floors - multiple rooms?


Hello Everyone,
This seems like a very helpful and informative forum and hope someone can help me... I've googled to the darkest corners and could not find a solid solution.

I am getting ready to install wood flooring in multiple rooms, and need help creating a reference line so that the wood flooring is seamless and square from room to room.

I have attached a diagram of the floor plan to give you a visual of my situation.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Old April 18, 2008, 09:40 PM   #2
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Welcome Dan,

There are some hardwood guru's here. You should have all the answers very soon!!

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Old April 18, 2008, 11:40 PM   #3
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Welcome Dan,

Can I interpret this to say you don't want to start nailing down wood then find out too late you are off somewhere? If so it is best to find somewhere you have a straight line of sight the full length.... like the office and back bedroom doors. Use a cheap laser line and measure front to back all along the length to see how square you are. You can adjust the laser as needed. After you are squared up leave the laser there and then go back and measure again to see how the end rows will work out in board size .... adjust the laser again if needed.

After you are satisfied pop a line, this will be you main reference line. You can start right there and work both ways (safest method) or..... measure off the line in equal measurements if you wish to start somewhere else and use that reference line to help you come up straight with the wood.

Is there a stair nosing involved here ?.... can't tell by the diagram.


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Old April 18, 2008, 11:41 PM   #4
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Hi Dan,

Welcome to TFP. Let me see if I can help some.

As shown in the diagram below, measure an equal distance from the common wall of the office and dining room, to the part of both rooms that have a clear shot all the way through the doorway (I removed the door) and hall. The measured lines are shown as A1 and A2. After marking the floor, snap a chalk line all the way through as shown by line B. This is your reference line and will be the straightest and longest line you can get.

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I don't know the method of installation you have planned, but I would prob'ly buy enough spline (aka slip-tongue) to use that whole length. Start with 2 rows laid groove to groove, with the spline between them. This way, you have 2 starter rows and a leading tongue to go off of in both directions.

You may have to make some slight adjustment once you get to the living room (houses are rarely square). But if the difference is minor and won't be noticeable, just continue with the installation.

Let us know how things progress. Pictures are always nice.

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PS: Jerry posted while I was composing, but I think we are on about the same page.
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Old April 19, 2008, 12:25 AM   #5
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I use a laser line like Jerry .. If you don't have one you can chalk a line down the A wall , and one down the hall .. put a 3' mark down the length of a , and a 4' mark down the hall .. if the tape measures 5' from point 3' to point 4' you are laying square .. I screw a 1x3 down the line to keep the first row straight .. I would make adjustments to the hall line to make sure i have a full board at the entrance to the hall bed room .. I would also 1/4 turn a board and insert it into the br at the end of the hall and work from there .. Not only will those boards be perfectly tight , but they will have a tounge and grouve ..

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Old April 19, 2008, 11:27 AM   #6
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Thanks for the motivating replys everyone. I'm starting to get a good idea of how to tackle the flooring.

I went to the house prepared to layout some reference lines, and discovered that my digram was a little off. This error may change the whole approach...

I have attached a new digram highlighting the changes.

The longest area is still the hallway, but instead of being from the office to the S/E br, it is now from the hallway closet's south wall to the S/E br.

Would starting from the middle of the hallway still be my best option, or should a start from an outside wall (living room - working east) and spline the west end of the office, hallway closet and S/W hallway nook?
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Old April 19, 2008, 12:05 PM   #7
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As long as you get the layout square in the room Dan , you can start in any room you like .. you just want to make sure your layout has you using a full board at the hall bath .. If you are in the S Jersey area , i would be more then happy to come and get you started ..

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Old April 19, 2008, 12:23 PM   #8
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If you are in the S Jersey area , i would be more then happy to come and get you started ..
..........south joisey.......central wisconsin............ .......

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Old April 19, 2008, 01:35 PM   #9
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diyDan, Think someone's jumped the gun. What kind of wood flooring are you installing. 3/4" sand and finish, prefinished, engineered, floating. Different woods require different layouts. Need more info.

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Old April 19, 2008, 02:14 PM   #10
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Didn't see that CP ..

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Old April 19, 2008, 03:14 PM   #11
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diyDan, Think someone's jumped the gun. What kind of wood flooring are you installing. 3/4" sand and finish, prefinished, engineered, floating. Different woods require different layouts. Need more info.
I would layout any of those just the way Jim showed. In fact, I made a diagram just like his and was fixing to post it when I saw his post. Great minds think alike, you know. He's pretty quick for an old guy.

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Well, after alot of research, we decided to go with 3-34'' x 5/8'' thick prefinished bamboo. It was a tough choice, but it ended up being the best fit for our situation.... The research was a roller costar ride, some days it was an option and other days it was not. I guess I will find out in a few years if it was a good choice or not.

Nick, can you elaborate a little more on using a full board at the hall bath. I'm not sure if I fully understand.

Jerry, there will be no stair nosing... its currently surrounded by tile.


Thanks again for the help everyone
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Old April 19, 2008, 03:44 PM   #13
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... Great minds think alike, you know. He's pretty quick for an old guy.
Not only that, I got a lot less oxygen getting to my brain too. 'Fact, I think it was Danny F. said you had more than the average guy - I think his exact words were sumthin' like, "he's full of hot air." Yeah, I think it was that.

Dan, Bamboo makes a handsome floor, but it can be less stable than other, real wood products. Keep in mind, Bamboo is a grass, not wood. Nick is right, the idea is to get it straight in the room. In a large layout, with multiple rooms like yours, I prefer to start somewhere near the middle and work in both directions. Just find the longest place to snap (or laser) a line and get at least 2 rows down as the starter courses.

There's a new milling technique out now that requires fastening into the bottom of the groove side instead of the standard tongue fastening method that has been around since T&G was first developed. Be sure to check the instructions for the product you are installing. The method I described earlier, with the spline, refers to the standard method of installation, not the newer one.

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Old April 19, 2008, 06:18 PM   #14
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I like to start in the middle also , Being that the angle of the staple is only going to let the wood expand one way .. But sometimes with furniture and such it is just not possible .. I was just trying to make the point of making sure his layout was square to the room ..

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If I was doing it, I would start off the upper living room wall, near the hall, and work both ways.

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