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Old December 22, 2009, 04:52 PM   #1
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Face-nailing and Nail selection?


Jim

Thank you very much.

I have few more questions.
1)When I reach the wall, I will have to face-nail the hardwood down. What should I use for the task? The floor screws or spiral finishing nails? I have a finishing nailer gun, can I use it for the face-nailing? Or do I have to do it manually.
2)Both the subfloor and the hardwood are 3/4. Can you please give some advices on my nail selections
a) 2-1/2" floor screws (on joist, for squeaky)
b) 1-3/4" staple (used by floor nailer)
c) 1-1/2" floor screws (last row's face-nailing ?)
d) 2" sprial finishing nails (last row's face-nailing, first rows' face-nailing and blind-nailing)
e) 2" finish nails (used by finishing nailer for quarter rounds)
Any other nails do I need?

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Old December 22, 2009, 05:10 PM   #2
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I never face nail. I use PL400 for the last rows at the wall. Precut one row at a time, glue it every 6 in. cut some lengths of scrap boards to press it tight between the wall until it sets good, which is usually about 20 min. Then continue with the next row. Just make sure to press it down while it dries.

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Old December 22, 2009, 05:34 PM   #3
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just me i don't like staples i like cleats why?.......... caaaause........ i think i get more split tongues with staples "i think" just seems like it.......

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Old December 22, 2009, 06:19 PM   #4
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Thanks all for the advices.

3)My starting line is not from the wall and it is in the middle of the rooms. I am going to nail some temporary blocks on the back of the first row to keep them from moving. I then use the flooring nailer to shoot the staples into the tongue. There will be no face-nailing for the first row. I need to reverse the direction as you can image. The slip-tongue is used and I will use flooring nailer again to nail the reversed one. Now the question is that,

Is it strong enough to hold the first row and the reversed row? We only have blind-nails outside of these two rows. Do I need to face-nail them?

I notice that the subfloor is about 1/2" away from the wall. When I install the hardwood floor, should I leave 1/2" to the wall or 1" to the wall?
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Old December 22, 2009, 08:38 PM   #5
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Is it strong enough to hold the first row and the reversed row? We only have blind-nails outside of these two rows.
YES.

) 1-3/4" staple (used by floor nailer)
2" is normally used.

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Old December 24, 2009, 05:35 AM   #6
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skhardwoods said View Post
YES.
Some articles suggest to glue and blind nail the slip tongue.

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2" is normally used.
2" staple will nail through the subfloor. Because the nail shoots at the tongue, at 45 degree, sqr (1.25 X 1.25 X 2) = 1.77".
1-3/4" seems to be a better choice, isn't it?

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Old December 24, 2009, 06:16 PM   #7
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Some articles suggest to glue and blind nail the slip tongue.
Then you should do that. the slip tongue I use fits snug, and the staple gun goes through that and the flooring, so for me, thats enough.


Use 1 3/4" if it makes you feel better. That length is normally used when 3/4" wood is installed over 3/4" subfloor, when that sub floor is laid over concrete. Again, 2" is normally what is used; but, do what you feel is best.

Heck, I just do this for a living.

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Old December 25, 2009, 05:53 AM   #8
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Then you should do that. the slip tongue I use fits snug, and the staple gun goes through that and the flooring, so for me, thats enough.


Use 1 3/4" if it makes you feel better. That length is normally used when 3/4" wood is installed over 3/4" subfloor, when that sub floor is laid over concrete. Again, 2" is normally what is used; but, do what you feel is best.

Heck, I just do this for a living.
Thank you. You are right. 1 3/4" is used when 3/4 IN. plywood is applied directly over a concrete slab. and 2" is used when installing 3/4 IN. solid wood flooring over a wood subfloor structure with floor joists.
What Size Staples/Nails to Use

Because sprial nails have more holding power than finishing nails, I am going to hand nail the area that we may walk around, and use finishing nail gun in the closet.

Again, thanks for your kindly input.

Happy holiday

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Old December 25, 2009, 10:02 AM   #9
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If you use glue, like CP suggested, as suggested, with a few nails, you'll have no worries. I glue those last few, and then nail along the edge of the last row, where the base will cover. Nails keep the rows from moving until the glue sets.

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