State required education

[Robert Akin]

Does your state require annual further education to be licensed? For example, here in Oregon they require a set amount hours of further education classes to meet licensing requires. This is ongoing and must be done to keep current and can be any educational instruction related to your particular field.





Rob

[Demonseed]

Robert Akin said Does your state require annual further education to be licensed? For example, here in Oregon they require a set amount hours of further education classes to meet licensing requires. This is ongoing and must be done to keep current and can be any educational instruction related to your particular field. Rob

For a home improvement license in New Jersey, you basicaly just need proof of insurance and an address +$99 US. You only need the HIL if you are actually contracting with the Home Owner. Even to become certified for State work, it is primarily proof of insurance, address, ssn/fein, and a perfunctory background check, +$300 US (need their money).

[ScribeRight]

Back in the 80's in California, My C-15 contractor license required Basic Accounting, Osha, Workers comp, Mechanics liens, Scaffolding?, Asbestos test, and a 10 minute trade test, 8hr Law test college level $ 10.000.00 surety bond,,.......Now fast forward to New England 200 bucks and they give it to you no questions ask in a "Cracker Jacks box" just to keep tract for paying taxes. WA, VA, CO, the same. Most Ca flooring installers didn't have a C-15 that i knew back then. And if you claimed to have one and didn't you would get a serious fine.

[Chris Mha]

No licencing in Michigan for floor covering except, by the book I think you are supposed to be licenced as a builder to install wood flooring.

[BrianM]

No, California does not require licensed contractors to demonstrate continued education.

My wife has to prove her continued education to remain a member of ASHA. (speech therapist)-----a certain number of "credits" every two years. It costs us at least a couple hundred bucks for her to attend the typical 2-day seminar. Each class has it's own specific credits, I guess those are determined by the certification authority. Some are out of town and then it's additional hotel and travel costs. It's NOT covered by the district. She can't work for the school district without that certification.

[kwfloors]

Our state doesn't require any further education to be licensed for doing floors.

[Taurus Flooring]

We don't even need proof of a driver's license here. Anyone with a passport can get a job in this country.

[Daris Mulkin]

Taurus Flooring said We don't even need proof of a driver's license here. Anyone with a passport can get a job in this country.

I will debate that. My son was hired by a hunting company to be a guide. Being that was his goal in life he was ecstatic and walking about 6 foot above the ground until they called him back and told him according to Canadian law the company had to prove that there was no one in the country that could do that job.
I also have 2 friends that was doing carpet in a motel up there when they were escorted to the airport without their tools-lost them- and told not to return for at least 2 years.
So it takes more than a passport to get a job in Canada. I know mill installers that have to go to Canada to solve problems with carpets and they cannot take or touch tools while there. They have to direct a Canadian installer how to take care of the problem.
I made the mistake of taking a kicker and awl to London, Ontario to do an inspection on a sidematch problem. I found out later even having the tools in my car they could have fined me and taken my tools and car.

So you need more than a passport.

Daris

[rgfloor]

Daris Mulkin said I will debate that. My son was hired by a hunting company to be a guide. Being that was his goal in life he was ecstatic and walking about 6 foot above the ground until they called him back and told him according to Canadian law the company had to prove that there was no one in the country that could do that job. I also have 2 friends that was doing carpet in a motel up there when they were escorted to the airport without their tools-lost them- and told not to return for at least 2 years. So it takes more than a passport to get a job in Canada. I know mill installers that have to go to Canada to solve problems with carpets and they cannot take or touch tools while there. They have to direct a Canadian installer how to take care of the problem. I made the mistake of taking a kicker and awl to London, Ontario to do an inspection on a sidematch problem. I found out later even having the tools in my car they could have fined me and taken my tools and car. So you need more than a passport. Daris

I believe that he was referring to Canadians needing only a passport.

For Americans to work in Canada is very difficult.

[Daris Mulkin]

rgfloor said I believe that he was referring to Canadians needing only a pasport. For Americans to work in Canada is very difficult.

Why would a Canadian need a passport to work in Canada?

Daris

[davegarden]

Chris Mha said No licencing in Michigan for floor covering except, by the book I think you are supposed to be licenced as a builder to install wood flooring.

You do not need to be a fully licensed builder in Michigan to install wood floors Chris. You can get a cabinetry license to install wood, but to install ceramic you need a cement license. Sounds nuts huh? To get both of these you will be spending more than a general contractors liscense. If you get a GC license you covered in both areas you just have to learn about roof pitches. None of it really makes any sense. Michigan is a cashed strapped state that does not even bother to find out who owns small businesses. Due to the fact that I have to compete with people whom do not even bother trying to file tax returns adding another regulation could put me under. Unless of course there were actual punishments for breaking the written law. If you make someone get a license to own a business but do not bother punishing those who break the law there is no point in the law in the first place, comprendo!
As you know I favor certifications as well as licsening, but under our current system the installation community can barely afford mortgage payments. That being said if isntallers were made to take educational courses before starting their own business they would understand how much money it takes to run a business. The problem is that if we actually understood how much money we were losing doing this 1099 crud we would be demanding more as a community.
I have written our fine governor a few times and gotten the same form letter in the mail thanking me for my concern and telling me not to forget to vote! Thanks may I have another.

[Demonseed]

Daris Mulkin said Why would a Canadian need a passport to work in Canada? Daris

Maybe it is easier to get than a non driving State ID? I think the USA is a minority in the respect that most citizens do not have passports or use them for ID (not sure)

[BrianM]

davegarden said You do not need to be a fully licensed builder in Michigan to install wood floors Chris. You can get a cabinetry license to install wood, but to install ceramic you need a cement license. Sounds nuts huh? To get both of these you will be spending more than a general contractors liscense. If you get a GC license you covered in both areas you just have to learn about roof pitches. None of it really makes any sense. Michigan is a cashed strapped state that does not even bother to find out who owns small businesses. Due to the fact that I have to compete with people whom do not even bother trying to file tax returns adding another regulation could put me under. Unless of course there were actual punishments for breaking the written law. If you make someone get a license to own a business but do not bother punishing those who break the law there is no point in the law in the first place, comprendo! As you know I favor certifications as well as licsening, but under our current system the installation community can barely afford mortgage payments. That being said if isntallers were made to take educational courses before starting their own business they would understand how much money it takes to run a business. The problem is that if we actually understood how much money we were losing doing this 1099 crud we would be demanding more as a community. I have written our fine governor a few times and gotten the same form letter in the mail thanking me for my concern and telling me not to forget to vote! Thanks may I have another.

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On a state level it's an evolutionary process. Certain states come out with a license system and if that works it can be a model for the rest of the country. Of course without strict enforcement against fraud and incompetence though there really is no law, kind of like our financial system.

[Darren Ramey]

I was chased out of California 25 years ago for not having a license. NC doesn't require one.

I need workmans comp to work for most shops, but that is more a requirement of their individual insurers. I signed waivers for many years, but the insurance companies couldn't profit from that so they made it go away. Now we have ghost policies. I'm still uninsured, but I have to pay $1000 a year for the privilege.

I've come full circle on certification/licensing. I used to hate the idea, but now I'd like to see it happen. Sadly if it was instituted I'm sure the test would be 90% safety/insurance/red tape related, with little much attention at all given to competency.

[Jon Scanlan]

All you need here is 10 million dollars and one can get anything. Even buy property
Look at Dotcom man. And now your FBI wants him sent back to USA