Lead Paint Training?

[FlooringGirl]

Is anyone familiar with the new regulation that anyone working in a home built prior to 1978 has to go get lead paint training? The cost is over $700 and the certification has to be renewed every 3 years.

Tia

[cproader]

......we just dealt with this here alittle while back. It is closer to 300.......ya mustta missed class that day, eh........

[rusty baker]

Did You Get This Email about The EPA's new Lead Renovation, Repair and Painting Rule?

[FlooringGirl]

Sorry, I did miss, and my coworker can't get any more insurance jobs at this point until he pays $175 for the class and $550 for the certification papers.

Didn't realize at first that installers are supposed to all do this too! Yet, I see that there isn't any specific training relative to floor covering??

Tia

[rusty baker]

It's just a money grab.

[Roland Thompson]

Give me a call some one is miss leading you on the price. It could be 175 for him to get his RRP but then it is the company that has to pay 300.00 for them to have their certification not the sales person.
Also inless they have time to over see the job at the start and at the end it should be a person out of the working field to go thru the RRP training.

Roland

[Daris Mulkin]

I went through it and what a waste of time and money. It is a farce as far as I'm concerned and don't really have anything to do with the floor installer unless he is a sand and finish guy. And then the instructor told us he only found lead in one finish for hardwood and that was a Minwax product of a certain color.
I talked to Chris Maha yesterday and someone he works with went through it this week and was told if they don't get more interest in the progam soon it will go away. So keep the lawyers out of it.

Daris

[Roland Thompson]

Daris I don't think it is going away that fast, to many insurance companys are involed and will not give work out to companys that do not have it.

Roland

[Chris Mha]

The more I hear about this thing the more it pisses me off.

I have no choice at this time but to take the class because of the Carpet One dealer that I install for as well as the insurance work that they do for two major insurance companies.

John Rugg (one of our members here went through the training on Monday. John and I work together on a lot of projects.

I can't see homeowners (non-insurance work) paying for this. All the containment set up and clean up needs to be paid for by someone. An average kitchen installation is no longer going to be installed in one day. Also, your clean up must be inspected at a cost of $300 bucks. Instructor told John not to expect to properly clean a job in a couple of hours. At least 6-8 hours clean up. If any portion of your containment is compromised the entire home will them be inspected for contamination and clean up and re-inspection may be necessary.

I brought up personal safety to John the other day. He said that maybe 20 minutes or so were alloted for this. Tyvec suits, while recommended are not required. Respirators are not required at all in the containment area. What's up with this. All this protection for the homeowners but none for the guy doing the work. Somethings wrong here.

Outside painters must cover landscape with plastic around the home. Then their ladders must sit on top of the plastic. This goes against OSHA rules.

[Chris Mha]

Another thing that was said in this class.

If working in a nursing home for the elderly, no certification necessary at all. What's up with that? Do these people not matter because they are going to pass on soon any way?

It just seems to me that this is just a scam or a bad joke by our wonderful government.

Why not start up a company that does lead abatement. Go in ahead of the flooring guys. That might be something to think about. Make some fast cash.

[rusty baker]

Who needs to be “certified”? Any contractor must comply who does renovation, repair or painting for compensation in pre-1978 housing…if the work will disturb 6 sq. ft. of painted surface in any room or 20 sq. ft. of exterior paint, or does any window replacement or any demolition. This includes the following trades: general contractors, alteration, remodeling and renovation companies, painters, flooring contractors, restoration contractors (mold remediation, fire & water damage restoration), weatherization companies, demolition companies, maintenance companies, landlords or their employees, property managers, etc.

Reads like if you don't disturb paint or change windows you are exempt.

[Chris Mha]

If you remove painted shoe molding, quarter round or baseboards you are disturbing paint. I've been told that 60 feet of quarter round equals 6 square feet. 40 feet of baseboard also equals 6 square feet.

[rusty baker]

An installer who only does carpet or only does new construction should be safe. Since customers bend the truth sometimes, how do you determine exactly when the house was constructed? If the customer would tell you 1979 and it is determined to be 1977, who is liable? What if it was started in 1978 and finished in 1979? Sound like it will be a legal mess.

[Daris Mulkin]

The cutoff date is Dec31, 1979.

Daris

[Professional flooring I]

A friend of mine took the class , cost was 300 dollars and then he was informed that he was going to have to register with the EPA and that was going to cost him another $500 dollars.