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Karndean Loose Lay vs. Armstrong Luxe Best



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Old June 8, 2012, 03:48 PM   #1
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Karndean Loose Lay vs. Armstrong Luxe Best


Hi everyone. Love your site, very informative.

I've been researching floating floor systems for our basement. Had carpeting, but water damage required us to rip it out. Won't do that again. Basement is pretty much dry now. Updated the French Drain system, waterproofing blah blah blah. Love the idea of vinyl planks. Being able to "pick the floor up" and dry it is a great option just in case we ever have another issue.

Now it's down to what kind of floating floor to put in. I believe I have it narrowed down to Karndean or Armstrong. Looks like "Karndean Loose Lay" has the better quality product (20 mil wear), yet I think the asthetics of "Armstrong Luxe Best" looks better. (That reminds me of an old SNL skit....."It is better to look good than to feel good.") Price wise, not much of a difference online.

Any comments or suggestions? I'd greatly appreciate your input.....thanks!

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Old June 8, 2012, 05:50 PM   #2
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You prob'ly won't wear either of them out, so why not just get the one you like the best? That's what I would do.

Thanks for bringing us your question.

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Old June 9, 2012, 04:34 PM   #3
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Old June 11, 2012, 07:59 AM   #4
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I have Armstrong Luxeplank in my basement (also have water issues)

I sell the Kardean product also.People love it. While I love the LuxePlank and it's done me no wrong, if the Kardean loose lay was around back when I did my floor I would have chosen it IMO. Eliminate the glue tabs, problem with a plank? take it out and lay a new one in.

Kardean has more character/texture, uses a different type of finish that doesn't compromise with the clarity of the wood tone/color. Plus I love the width, I think it's a plus for loose lay stabilization although I'm no engineer.

Warranties are comparable so that is moot

You really can't go wrong with either

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Old June 11, 2012, 08:45 AM   #5
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I have Armstrong Luxeplank in my basement (also have water issues)

I sell the Kardean product also.People love it. While I love the LuxePlank and it's done me no wrong, if the Kardean loose lay was around back when I did my floor I would have chosen it IMO. Eliminate the glue tabs, problem with a plank? take it out and lay a new one in.

Kardean has more character/texture, uses a different type of finish that doesn't compromise with the clarity of the wood tone/color. Plus I love the width, I think it's a plus for loose lay stabilization although I'm no engineer.

Warranties are comparable so that is moot

You really can't go wrong with either
Interesting....so it seems from your post that removing a single plank from Karndean is easier than in the Armstrong system. Also sounds like the Kardean system has a better system for installation as well. This changes the game. Thanks so much for your input...take care

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Old June 12, 2012, 08:14 AM   #6
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I am impressed with Karndean's loose lay largely because of their patterns, pattern variations, and out of all of the loose lay I have seen, the green foam backing seems to be the best. Luxe is a good product as well. I was weirdly taken back seeing it at lowe's for under a dollar a sf. That has changed though and it is back up to over 2 dollars a sf.

Loose lay of any type however is usually glued down at least randomly throughout the job, at least that is what I have been told by most everyone I have asked.

Ortiz, which width are you talking about, the 7''?

Loose lay stabilization would come from it's thickness, and I believe karndean uses 4mm which should help based upon weight alone. One thing I would check for is if there is a fiberglass layer for dimensional stability, this would be very important for any floating floor. Also I would make sure that the materials are 100% virgin vinyl and be very weary if it says anything about recycled materials unless they are per-consumer

wear layer wise, I think an 8 mil would be fine for a basement, so both would def hold up wear wise.

Have you looked at any click locking products? They could work maybe for your situation.

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Old June 12, 2012, 09:16 AM   #7
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j248....Wear layer on both are great. I believe Karndean's is 20mil and Armstrongs is pretty good too, maybe 16 mil? I'm not sure about the fiber glass inlay. I want to say no. From what I've read they are both made of PVC/Vinyl. It seems from Oritz34's response that Karndeans might be easier to replace a plank of Karndean than Armstrong.

The click and lock products I've seen are usually laminate. I might have missed something there, but laminate isn't an option for my basement.

I do like the look of Armstrong better, but with Karndean having an easier plank removal, that one is in the lead right now.

I do wonder why it's so difficult to find more information as far as reviews and performance on any of these loose lay products. Are they too new to know the endurance of them?

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I do wonder why it's so difficult to find more information as far as reviews and performance on any of these loose lay products. Are they too new to know the endurance of them?

Yes, the glueless , no tab, loose lay LVP's are fairly new to the game hence the lack of reviews.

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Thanks ortiz34. That's what I thought. My husband really likes the easier removal/replacement of the Karndean. I did read that we shouldn't slide anything across the floor, but lift. Do you have any suggestions for a way to get around this during installation. We have a large entertainment center and big screen tv downstairs. He was thinking about laying luan boards down and then sliding the furniture over that as he's moving along. Unfortunately, picking it up and moving it from place to place during installation is not an option. I'm concerned that the loose lay might slide out of place if we do this.

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Old June 12, 2012, 10:19 AM   #10
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j248....Wear layer on both are great. I believe Karndean's is 20mil and Armstrongs is pretty good too, maybe 16 mil? I'm not sure about the fiber glass inlay. I want to say no. From what I've read they are both made of PVC/Vinyl. It seems from Oritz34's response that Karndeans might be easier to replace a plank of Karndean than Armstrong.

The click and lock products I've seen are usually laminate. I might have missed something there, but laminate isn't an option for my basement.

I do like the look of Armstrong better, but with Karndean having an easier plank removal, that one is in the lead right now.

I do wonder why it's so difficult to find more information as far as reviews and performance on any of these loose lay products. Are they too new to know the endurance of them?
click locking vinyl is a pretty big thing now, every brand has hopped on to make their own except for karndean and freefit and i think Armstrong. Mannington has Lock Solid, home depot hasallure plus, Carpetone or ivc has Invincible, and there are many more. It is the same idea as laminates using ulnilin's system as most of the click products use the tongue and groove locking mechanism. They are waterproof as well.

I agree that you should go with what you like, as they all have their advantage's and their drawbacks, just like most products.

Again I agree with Ortiz on the look of Karndean's planks, they have very nice patterns, textures and all around high class looks so to say, but that is just an opinion. The fiberglass layer is very important for products that are not glued down, as it prevents curling or bowing, due to the plank not being glued down. I am usually weary of products that do not secure themselves in any way to anything, and so are others, and I have heard great things about the successes of the loose lay, but they are going to be glued, at least some unless you install them your self. Not to say that they won't work but it happens often. But your basement may work fine with it and no glue.

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Old June 20, 2012, 07:38 PM   #11
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I am still checking out different flooring options, of which Karndean LooseLay is one of them. One thing I can definitely vouch for is Karndean's customer service. It is the best I have encountered from anyone. I am very impressed with the quality of the product and the customer service.

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Old June 21, 2012, 06:18 PM   #12
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Hi laraffinee. Thanks for your help. Good CS is important. Ordered the Karndean last week. One of their sales reps happened to be at the flooring store while we were there. He said they just put the loose lay down at Mt. Sinai in NYC....that sold me. It's got to be a great product if a hospital that size is using it. Take care and good luck!

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Old July 3, 2012, 06:22 AM   #13
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Also I would make sure that the materials are 100% virgin vinyl and be very weary if it says anything about recycled materials unless they are per-consumer
just realized I misspelled this..Pre-Consumer is what I meant, sorry for that.

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