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Old July 6, 2012, 12:47 AM   #1
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Need adhesive recommendation for self-stick vinyl plank flooring (odd application)


I needed a cheap, quick, easy-to-install floor for a 1500 sq ft bakery so I bought some peel-and-stick vinyl plank flooring from Lowe's (Style Selections 4-in W x 36-in L Golden Oak Luxury Vinyl Plank).

We will be installing this on clean, bare, prepped concrete.

Although the planks have adhesive on them, one of our contractors recommended using an adhesive in the kitchen areas so there will be no chance of water getting under the planks and making them pop up.

What adhesive do we use for this? I need something I can purchase at Lowe's or Home Depot.

Thanks so much!
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Old July 6, 2012, 01:03 AM   #2
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Worst thing you can say around a whole lot of flooring professionals is "cheap, quick, easy-to-install ... Lowe's or Home Depot." We're not big box fans and some of us subscribe to the idea that you can maybe get 2 out of 3 of those requirements you asked for, but never all 3.

This might work though. Since you already have adhesive on the planks, spread this adhesive with a thin paint roller instead of a trowel.

Shop HENRY 4-Gallon Vinyl Tile Adhesive at Lowes.com

If you're looking for waterproof too, it ain't gonna happen with this or any other adhesive you can buy at a big box store that I know of.

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Old July 6, 2012, 01:27 AM   #3
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I would think a sheet vinyl would be better in a "wet" area than a tile or plank type vinyl. Too many joins with tiles or planks

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Old July 6, 2012, 01:34 AM   #4
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Worst thing you can say around a whole lot of flooring professionals is "cheap, quick, easy-to-install ... Lowe's or Home Depot." We're not big box fans and some of us subscribe to the idea that you can maybe get 2 out of 3 of those requirements you asked for, but never all 3.

This might work though. Since you already have adhesive on the planks, spread this adhesive with a thin paint roller instead of a trowel.

Shop HENRY 4-Gallon Vinyl Tile Adhesive at Lowes.com

If you're looking for waterproof too, it ain't gonna happen with this or any other adhesive you can buy at a big box store that I know of.

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Thanks so much, Jim. I completely understand your perspective of being a professional and having to deal with people asking about the low-end stuff sold at the DIY stores. I also know all too well that the "you get what you pay for" adage is oh so true, but I have hemorrhaged so much money into this buildout for which I will never see any return that I just need to floor to work for a couple of years. If this were for my home, it would be a different story.

I really appreciate you taking the time to help me!

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Old July 6, 2012, 03:12 AM   #5
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My pleasure. I have vinyl plank flooring in my own apartment and really love it. Not the cheap stuff though. Still, I doubt you have too much to worry about.

What is the new flooring going over (plywood, OSB, particleboard, old vinyl)? It better be smooth and flat. It may need some floor prep before the installation.

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Old July 6, 2012, 04:45 AM   #6
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using the clear thin spread adhesive, spread thin and left full dry will work as good as a peel and stick tile can ever work

it's an overstatement to say that water can NEVER get under there and pop up the vinyl planks but this is going to be a very strong bond

it's not a swimming pool though so you can't allow standing puddles of water for hours on end or you will have problem areas

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Old July 6, 2012, 06:46 AM   #7
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Jim great suggestion of adhesives, I have found that either that one or Armstrong's S-750 work the best, especially with peel and stick. Both of those will bond were well, and hold the longest as far as I have seen.

On a different note, at least one of the big boxes has shown quality products, or at least the willingness to seemingly focus as much as their willingness financially will allow them. Another seems to have learned more the hard way, and the other seems to be in need of a program change and/or consultant to grow and make the selection better.

Brian, I fully agree that glue is not as jim said, " as I know of," water proof, no matter what company's product is chosen. It's one of the great if only, as I see it...the tile is less often the issue, and ultra rarely when it itself is waterproof. There are 100% big differences in the glue and it's longevity depending upon who made it, and which one it is though that is something the company likely will not share.

sorry to divert, to the thread starter, keep in mind that water getting to an adhesive is not the only thing that can cause these problems your contractor mentioned...Aclimation for 24 hours to the room is very important, as is the temperature of the room. As a kitchen installation I wouldn't imagine an issue unless you have drastic heat and cold changes. I am sure you were informed this but I know the bowing if planks is just ruthless to my temper so i thought i would make certain you knew all possible problems, especially because theose stores do not like claims very much

Hope it turns out well

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Old July 6, 2012, 06:59 AM   #8
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Make sure the floor is is primer as instructed. armstrong s-750 is a good adhesive for this and henry makes a good one as well. Forbo king had some great suggestions, as well. I recomend Mapei lvt grout for vinyl, it is mor giving than others I have used.

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Old July 6, 2012, 08:27 AM   #9
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If you do have moisture issues they will probably come from the slab not from topical moisture.

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Old July 6, 2012, 11:50 AM   #10
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The floor we are installing this on is the concrete slab. We tore up old commercial carpet and it left dried carpet glue. I originally had my heart set on acid staining the concrete so we rented a floor scraper and spent an entire weekend trying to get as much off as possible but all it really did was remove the trowel ridges. I filled all of the holes with cement filler earlier this week. I know the floor is not level to within 1/8" every 10 ft as the manufacturer states but I just can't put any more money into this building. It's smooth as a baby's butt though.

Do I need to prime the floor before applying the adhesive? And I need to acclimate the adhesive for 24 hours? The flooring has been in the building for a couple of weeks now but I didn't count on waiting another 24 hours to acclimate adhesive.

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Old July 6, 2012, 11:55 AM   #11
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Not the adhesive. And a primer would hurt but with the 2 adhesives is not necessary.

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Old July 6, 2012, 11:58 AM   #12
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I know I'm changing the subject here but you said you wanted stained concrete. We have a unfinished furniture store here that put a finish over the top of the trowel lines left from glued down carpet. It was scraped and finished. It really looks kind of neat. Maybe that would be an option for you.

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Great news about acclimating the adhesive!

On another note...the walls of the building are concrete and have a really rough stucco texture applied to them that was not knocked down, all the way down to where wall meets floor. It's too rough to apply baseboard or the rubber wall base and I'm sure as heck not engineering custom cuts at the end of every 4" plank!

Is there a product that I could use to fill in the area between the end of each plank and the wall that is similar in color to the plank tiles I'm using? I was wondering if I could do this with colored grout. I know it's not going to be pretty but it's only in the kitchen areas of the bakery. I just need the floor to be flush to the wall per the health dept.

We did consider it, Daris, but didn't want to risk all the time/work and have it come out ugly (at least in the retail areas where appearance matters).

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Do you have a compressor available to you? If so a cheap Harbor Freight air chisel makes quick work of knocking the slag off the corner at the wall and floor.

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Do you have a compressor available to you? If so a cheap Harbor Freight air chisel makes quick work of knocking the slag off the corner at the wall and floor.
Alrighty - we bought an impact hammer (hubby was pleased with that recommendation LOL), we have a little pancake compressor, set of air chisel bits, Henry 336 primer, Henry VCT adhesive, rented the 100-lb roller tool, have had all of the flooring in the shop for a week now, and we are ready to go!!

May the Lord have mercy on my shins. I limped for a week after installing this stuff a couple of years ago.

I appreciate everyone's help.

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