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Old March 3, 2009, 07:21 AM   #1
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Armstrong CushionStep "Better" Installation ??


Greetings All,

I am planning on putting down some Armstrong CushionStep "Better" and have a question or two about this.. Hope somebody out there can shed some light.

It is going in a basement bathroom installation. The subfloor is 3/4 OSB over Delta-FL vapor barrier system. Size is 6' x 6'. There is a toilet, but water exits to the rear and not down, so the toilet will just sit on the floor along with the vanity cabinet.

I am planning a modified loose lay application

1) If the OSB is level, is it sufficient for this or should I put an underlayment down? I think that moisture will not be a problem, which is what I have read in other threads as why not to use OSB.

2) Should the fixtures be placed ontop of the CushionStep, or should I cut around the vanity cabinet and toilet? Because of the "cushion'ess" of the product, I think putting on top would depress into the product and not look good.

Thanks for any insight!

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Old March 3, 2009, 07:57 AM   #2
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OSB should be fine uder it. Afterall that is one of the selling points of a loose lay floor, less prep work (incl. underlayments).
Cut around the cabinet, toilet will be fine installed over it.

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Old March 3, 2009, 09:54 AM   #3
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Excellent! Thanks for the quick response!

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Old May 5, 2009, 12:29 PM   #4
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Would you put double sided glass tape around the cutout for the cabinet?

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Old May 5, 2009, 01:37 PM   #5
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Excellent! Thanks for the quick response!

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The cabinet should be in place before installation.

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Old May 7, 2009, 06:40 AM   #6
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Thank you.. It is..

My question is should the flooring be taped infront of and along the side of the cabinet? The only "molding" to hold the flooring down is the flimsy toe-kick. Common sense would say to tape it down along the unsecured edges...

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Either it floats or is adhered. You cannot partially adhere it.

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Old May 7, 2009, 08:14 AM   #8
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Either it floats or is adhered. You cannot partially adhere it.

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Sorry, this seemed a little abrupt to me.
A modified loose lay floor allows the floor to move in a minimum of 2 directions (at right angles to each other). Manufacturers across the board do not to have 2 sides fastened, however they recognize that it may be necessary to adhere 1 side for a variety of reasons.
Below are a couple of very rough diagrams of typical bathroom with what is acceptable and what is not. The heavy black lines would be tape or adhesive. Note that the first one shows that the floor can float in 3 directions, whereas the other 2 would not allow the floor to truly float. The top of each diagram would be the tub/shower.
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Fully adhere it.

The manufacturers don't have a clue on how to properly install their own materials, they just know how to market it to the public who really don't have a clue either.

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Fully adhere it.

The manufacturers don't have a clue on how to properly install their own materials, they just know how to market it to the public who really don't have a clue either.
That is what most of the pro's would do!!!!!

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Especially in a bathroom.

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Old May 14, 2009, 12:32 PM   #12
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Thanks for the inputs and drawings..

I have attached my own to exactly show my application. The red circles are where screws will attach the tiolet thru the flooring to the subfloor (thus locking moving of the floating floor). The blue lines would be where I would think double sided tape should be applied.

Interested in your feedback.
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Thanks for the inputs and drawings..

I have attached my own to exactly show my application. The red circles are where screws will attach the tiolet thru the flooring to the subfloor (thus locking moving of the floating floor). The blue lines would be where I would think double sided tape should be applied.

Interested in your feedback.
There should be a metal flange that goes around the waste pipe and that flange has the holes for securing the toilet. The flooring is cut around the flange and is not affected by the toilet bolts.

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Oh wait, it looks like you are using a four-bolt toilet, not the standard 2. If that's the case, I recommend the flooring be pre-drilled for those bolts, making the holes slightly larger than the bolts so it has a little room for movement.


I'll let someone with more experience than me with the flooring product speak to the double-faced tape issue.

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Old May 14, 2009, 06:16 PM   #14
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If the toilet is secured on the flooring than you adhere the floor even with the tape, in the positions that you have indicated, it will cause the floor to bubble between the cabinet and the toilet to start and work into the rest of the floor also. You need to install shoe molding along the cabinet base to cover the exposed edge and make sure that you leave the proper expansion gap, and either adhere the entire floor or use the floating installation.

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Ditto what Ken said.

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