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Old August 16, 2010, 07:44 PM   #1
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New water soluble vinyl seam sealer from Armstrong???


What is this stuff? Boss put it in my hand this morning, stupid me didn't look at the number but it's literally in a carpet seam sealer bottle and you apply it just like carpet seam sealer. It wipes off with a wet rag, you're supposed to put a 1/8in bead down (!) and then wipe it off the top.

Does this stuff work? They say they will warranty it and if I just need to get a buttload on there and wipe the excess off I certainly will.

Also, boss told me they aren't making S-200 anymore? Uh... what?

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Old August 16, 2010, 07:49 PM   #2
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Which Armstrong vinyl?

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Old August 16, 2010, 07:49 PM   #3
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Be sure to get all the residue off ....its crap

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Old August 16, 2010, 07:54 PM   #4
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Which Armstrong vinyl?
Tarkett what? Like I said, the boss put the stuff in my hand.

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Be sure to get all the residue off ....its crap
Yeah, we did. Wet, then damp then dry. Buffed pretty nice. Luckily it was budget stuff in a rental unit. Hope I'm the guy that goes back to T&T the bedroom doors after the wood floor is done, I'd like to see it.

But what happened to S-200 guys? Is that for real? No more of my favorite seam system EVER?!

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Old August 16, 2010, 07:54 PM   #5
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Also, boss told me they aren't making S-200 anymore? Uh... what?
I'm getting that "UH OH" feeling again.

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Old August 16, 2010, 07:55 PM   #6
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They are still making s-200, though they did stop for a moment. The sealer you prolly have is for either linoleum, or for a while it was for sealing comm sheetgoods seams if you didnt want to weld, not sure if it is still going that direction.

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I was just wondering if it was vinyl backed or felt backed? The IVCs tell you to use latex seam sealer or at least they did last time I installed some. (I know, "all installation instructions are subject to change without notice.")

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Same idea Rusty, we did an addition to a local hospital with corlon, and they wanted it done this way...Haven't been back to see how well it held up at the seams, but I am curious about it.

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Old August 16, 2010, 08:16 PM   #9
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They are still making s-200, though they did stop for a moment. The sealer you prolly have is for either linoleum, or for a while it was for sealing comm sheetgoods seams if you didnt want to weld, not sure if it is still going that direction.
oh good love my s-200. yeah, it was rated for lino, corlon and medintech, along with a couple others I didn't recognize the names of, right on the bottle. Also, it was old. I don't know what that decrepit monkey skeleton is thinking sometimes. Why not just buy the right s*** for the job dummy?

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I was just wondering if it was vinyl backed or felt backed? The IVCs tell you to use latex seam sealer or at least they did last time I installed some. (I know, "all installation instructions are subject to change without notice.")
It's standard felt back "shiny side up" vinyl. I still haven't seen the IVC you guys keep talking about. Oh well, back to VCT, carpet tile and unibond later in the week so I know what to do with those Industrial floors I know, they keep throwing new stuff in the mix for the residential so I'm sort of glad we keep using these old-school things that I can muddle through.

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Old August 16, 2010, 08:22 PM   #10
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Oh, and is the consensus "Oops boss, I accidentally cut that bottle of seam sealer with my knife and had to throw it away!"?

If the stuff is junk then Mr. Burns just needs to go get me a tub of S-200 I can milk for the next few vinyl jobs, right?

he won't buy specific sealers, he wants one thing he can bring out to every job that is shiny and in sheets. therefore, S-200.

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Old August 16, 2010, 08:25 PM   #11
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I dont know that is is Junk??? I havn't seen a job it has been used on to make that call, like I said I havnt been back to see how well it held up to heavy traffic??

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hmm... I'm thinking that I'll source the S-200, and if it's available... that bottle of latex is GOING DOWN!

Who wants old seam sealer anyway? I can't imagine that stuff working well in perfect conditions, let alone with X-random-vinyl.

Easy to use but I distrust it.

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This has been what Armstrong recommends for many of their products including Lino and Corlons (the glass backed ones) Armstrong now brings value to installation with new S-761 Seam Adhesive.

As far as I know, S-200 is available once again, but only in the Large unit size. At least that is the only size I can still buy.

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One thing for sure Sean S-200 has proved itself over years for sure

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Old August 16, 2010, 08:37 PM   #15
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One thing for sure Sean S-200 has proved itself over years for sure
Yeah, and on just... whatever. If it's got a felt back on it, S-200 WILL hold the seams flat. Because it's epoxy, it works fine as the floor/poop barrier. Even n00bs can mix it OK (I've seen 1/8 cup left in the B part and it didn't fail. what?!) in mini-batches.

Apart from welding, S-200 is THE go-to solution for seaming felt vinyl if you don't have the official stuff on hand.

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